ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 10:02 PM) You're right, neither of us know. What I like is that he's only 22 and shows some promise, not that he's a sure bet by any means. I think we can agree there are other options we would both prefer, Rosario and Grandel are the first that come to mind. His age is all he has going for him, and is the only reason he is still considered a prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 09:02 PM) And starved for a catcher so badly that people want JR Murphy for Nate Jones. Or Murphy for guys nobody wants... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 10:04 PM) Or Murphy for guys nobody wants... I don't think that shows we are starved for a catcher at all. Being starved means you overpay, not provide fair value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 09:06 PM) I don't think that shows we are starved for a catcher at all. Being starved means you overpay, not provide fair value. Guys like Veal or Molina that show NO promise are fair value for a 22 yo catcher? Again, these guys won't even make the roster of a team that's rebuilding so why would a contender like the Yanks be interested? They wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 10:10 PM) Guys like Veal or Molina that show NO promise are fair value for a 22 yo catcher? Again, these guys won't even make the roster of a team that's rebuilding so why would a contender like the Yanks be interested? They wouldn't. I never suggested a trade of Veal or Molina for Murphy, at any point, ever. I said Molina AND Gillaspie, and I said if we were to offer them anyone from our bullpen, then give them Veal, because no one else is worth throwing away on the chance at Murphy becomes a good prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 You're right, neither of us know. What I like is that he's only 22 and shows some promise, not that he's a sure bet by any means. I think we can agree there are other options we would both prefer, Rosario and Grandel are the first that come to mind. We're not getting either of those guys (or Castro/Lucroy) without giving up Q. So, I think it's about time we focus on realistic possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 09:15 PM) I never suggested a trade of Veal or Molina for Murphy, at any point, ever. I said Molina AND Gillaspie, and I said if we were to offer them anyone from our bullpen, then give them Veal, because no one else is worth throwing away on the chance at Murphy becomes a good prospect. You just said in this very post you never suggested Veal but then said you did. What gives? QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 09:25 PM) We're not getting either of those guys (or Castro/Lucroy) without giving up Q. So, I think it's about time we focus on realistic possibilities. I agree and would not give up Q which is why Im discussing Murphy because he is a realistic possibility. Not saying he is the answer, just a possible solution at some point and given his age would fit in with Hahn's plan. Im no scout by any means so I really don't know the value of a prospect like Murphy, this is just for conversations sake really cause it has been slow in the rumor mill. Edited December 23, 2013 by StRoostifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 You just said in this very post you never suggested Veal but then said you did. What gives? I agree and would not give up Q which is why Im discussing Murphy because he is a realistic possibility. Not saying he is the answer, just a possible solution at some point and given his age would fit in with Hahn's plan. Im no scout by any means so I really don't know the value of a prospect like Murphy, this is just for conversations sake really cause it has been slow in the rumor mill. I'm with you -- I'd love to have Murphy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I've never heard of Murphy until tonight. That said, the more catchers to compete in spring training, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 10:37 PM) You just said in this very post you never suggested Veal but then said you did. What gives? Having to pick 1 guy from the bullpen that I'd be willing to let go for someone is not suggesting that trade, it's picking an option that is given. Gillaspie for Murphy, or Gillaspie + Molina are the only offers I've suggested without any parameters given. And I stick by those offers. I wouldn't even give them De Aza for Murphy, and I despise De Aza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Tom Murphy though. That'd be a nice pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 10:03 PM) Tom Murphy though. That'd be a nice pickup. Seriously, who are all of these catching Murphy's I've never heard of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 11:10 PM) Seriously, who are all of these catching Murphy's I've never heard of? Tom Murphy. 22, hit .288 with 22 HR, 31 2B, 83 RBI, .376 OBP, .948 OPS, in 100 games between A and AA ball. The key, though, is he is stuck behind Wilin Rosario, who is only 24 years old himself and has 5 years of team control left in Colorado. Is said to have an above average arm, is athletic, and is a good blocker behind the plate. No doubts so far about sticking at catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Murphy is a guy who IMO has a higher floor and equally high ceiling compared to all the catchers on the 40-man. At 22, it is quite reasonable to think that he is more likely to find his ceiling than any of the others as well. They have no reason to value him super highly and given his relatively modest ceiling, it makes much more sense for them to get a guy in Gillaspie who is probably going to be a similar MLBer but in a position of greater need and hits from the left side, which is always going to be useful for them. We got a top 15 prospect from a much better system for Matt Thornton, so let's not start acting like his prospect rating turns him into a god or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 09:39 PM) I'm with you -- I'd love to have Murphy. QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 09:43 PM) I've never heard of Murphy until tonight. That said, the more catchers to compete in spring training, the better. Right on guys. The Sox and their farm system is rather depleted at the catcher position so if we can get a guy that offers the potential for a brighter future at that position then I say go for it. I just feel it's important to look at not only the 14 season but beyond it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 From rotoworld: According to Phil Rogers of MLB.com, the White Sox are not looking to add a veteran catcher, partially due to the fact that the stock of Miguel Gonzalez is rising in the organization. The 23-year-old slashed .254/.326/.349 with two homers and 20 RBI in 53 games between Double-A Birmingham and Triple-A Charlotte in 2013. He's known as a very good defensive catcher, and owns a 41% career caught-stealing rate in the minor leagues. Something tells me this is just a negotiating tactic. Or at least I hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Phil Rogers has no insight into the feelings of the organization so I wouldn't read much into it. Ken Williams has long been openly hostile towards him and Phil has done so as well. I doubt the FO and Phil are sharing secrets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Miguel Gonzalez was outrighted off of the 40-man. I doubt they actually "like him" or that his "stock is rising" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 11:52 PM) Miguel Gonzalez was outrighted off of the 40-man. I doubt they actually "like him" or that his "stock is rising" He also hasn't had 250 ABs in a single season since 2010. I don't buy for a second the Sox are suddenly high on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Miguel Gonzalez was outrighted off of the 40-man. I doubt they actually "like him" or that his "stock is rising" LOLZ. So true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Let's see... no average, no power, no walks and not even gap power? I call BS too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Dec 22, 2013 -> 06:26 PM) Personally, I'm a fan of Murphy. Good defense and nice secondary skills. He'd be superior to anyone we have currently. As far as the cost, maybe Keppinger, Snodgrass, and 4 million? The sox have the pieces to satisfy the yankees. Beckham & Gillaspie would provide some young talent that would be cost effective in keeping them under their 189M target. Even if you throw in Keppinger and 4M it still wouldn't be the worst thing. The players i would be looking at from the yankees farm are Sanchez(pipe dream), Murphy, Manny Banuelos who is now back from TJ (great buy low candidate) and left handed 1B prospect Greg Bird who is miles away from the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 23, 2013 -> 12:44 AM) The sox have the pieces to satisfy the yankees. Beckham & Gillaspie would provide some young talent that would be cost effective in keeping them under their 189M target. Even if you throw in Keppinger and 4M it still wouldn't be the worst thing. The players i would be looking at from the yankees farm are Sanchez(pipe dream), Murphy, Manny Banuelos who is now back from TJ (great buy low candidate) and left handed 1B prospect Greg Bird who is miles away from the show. Never heard of Greg Bird but I love his numbers, all be it at A ball. Would assume he'll start at AA in 14 so at the earliest late 15 or 16 season for his MLB debute if he stayed on track? Good looking prospect no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) Wouldn't mind J.R. at all. Just 22, has improved his defense year after year (the same as Davidson has improved his) and he had one of the higher pitch count rates for a catcher in the minors (decent walk rate, doesn't strikeout too much either and surprised a few people with his power surge). He fits the sox mold as being a guy who is young, cost controlled, and borderline MLB ready (he already got a taste of PAs this past season) He might benefit from a half year in AAA, but he's nearly ready. He won't be a star, but the sox don't need him to be with the "potential" of the other guys they have. Some of the guys mentioned before him haven't even seen (or seen enough) AA/AAA pitching, yet alone sniff the bigs so how can you know they won't flame out? Would like the move quite a bit. QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 23, 2013 -> 12:58 AM) Never heard of Greg Bird but I love his numbers, all be it at A ball. Would assume he'll start at AA in 14 so at the earliest late 15 or 16 season for his MLB debute if he stayed on track? Good looking prospect no doubt. He would be an amazing get, but I doubt Yanks will look to trade him right now. Edited December 23, 2013 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 23, 2013 -> 01:13 AM) I don't if know everyone saw Rock's post that the Sox did a payroll scope and he thinks there may be a trade of FA signing on the horizon but... Can anyone think of a decently paid catcher that has team time that may be inclined to move him? I saw that comment, but that doesn't necessarily mean the results they got were good enough to decide they have room for another contract. I means they probably have an idea about a specific player or group of players, but I'm not sure it means much if the results determined they don't have the space without moving some guys, like Danks or Keppinger or Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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