RockRaines Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (bshah723 @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 10:40 AM) Why is that? Because the book didnt dehumanize them as much as the show is, they also merged like 10 clans into one man-eating one in the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 10:55 AM) Because the book didnt dehumanize them as much as the show is, they also merged like 10 clans into one man-eating one in the show. I agree. I think the various chapters with Jon and Ygritte and Jon and Mance gave them more of a back story that you just don't get from the show. They're not all savages/barbarians. They don't kill for sport, they kill for survival/revenge. At least in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (juddling @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 08:32 AM) Surprised nobody mentioned it yet but I thought it was a pretty good start to the new season of Orphan Black this weekend........ I'll watch it tonight on DVR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 The Wildlings are absolute savages. The Thenns were the only ones with some form of hierarchy because they were descendants of the first men. They're still barbarians that rape women. They just do it with primitive armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 02:29 PM) Biggest issue I had was with Jamie and Cersei's "scene". Agreed. Very bad change. Jaime is capable of a lot of terrible things, but THAT? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 11:32 AM) The Wildlings are absolute savages. The Thenns were the only ones with some form of hierarchy because they were descendants of the first men. They're still barbarians that rape women. They just do it with primitive armor. I thought they were all descendants of the First Men? IIRC, they were basically Northerners like the Starks who happened to live farther north and were "trapped" when the Wall was built. Over time the people south of the Wall forgot why the Wall was built and so the Wildlings became the threat to the North, not the White Walkers. I never got the sense they were as blood thirsty as they're made out to be in the show. Yes, they're a little rough, and they rape/pillage in villages south of the wall, but I dunno, that always seemed to me to be a small portion of the group, not the general population that Mance is leading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I think the wildlings storyline hasn't really excited userbase as much. I think they got enough time last season when Jon was with them to show that they are not savages, no more than a family who splits children in two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 21, 2014 Author Share Posted April 21, 2014 The Jaime/Cersei scene made me uncomfortable, lol. So many things wrong with what happened on so many levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 04:46 PM) I never got the sense they were as blood thirsty as they're made out to be in the show. Yes, they're a little rough, and they rape/pillage in villages south of the wall, but I dunno, that always seemed to me to be a small portion of the group, not the general population that Mance is leading. They're all pretty lawless and fight a lot. That's why it's considered such a miracle that Mance was able to unite any of them. The Thenns are one of the MORE civilized groups up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 11:57 AM) They're all pretty lawless and fight a lot. That's why it's considered such a miracle that Mance was able to unite any of them. The Thenns are one of the MORE civilized groups up there. I always got the sense that this was all based on what southerners thought, and that when Jon was captured we got the "other side" to the story, i.e., they weren't/aren't as bad as people think they are. In other words, a lot of the bad stuff is just legend that keeps getting passed down from generation to generation, without much proof of it actually happening. But in truth it's been a while since i've read the book so my memory could be wrong. That and when I did read them I often skipped over some of the deep-history sections of some of the chapters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 05:08 PM) I always got the sense that this was all based on what southerners thought, and that when Jon was captured we got the "other side" to the story, i.e., they weren't/aren't as bad as people think they are. No doubt there's plenty of stereotyping, but it's not just a few bad apples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 12:08 PM) I always got the sense that this was all based on what southerners thought, and that when Jon was captured we got the "other side" to the story, i.e., they weren't/aren't as bad as people think they are. In other words, a lot of the bad stuff is just legend that keeps getting passed down from generation to generation, without much proof of it actually happening. But in truth it's been a while since i've read the book so my memory could be wrong. That and when I did read them I often skipped over some of the deep-history sections of some of the chapters. Did you just read the cliffnotes? The Thenns are direct descendants of the Andals. They're the only somewhat civilized Wildlings. The show has mixed the Thenns with the Skaggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 11:32 AM) The Wildlings are absolute savages. The Thenns were the only ones with some form of hierarchy because they were descendants of the first men. They're still barbarians that rape women. They just do it with primitive armor. What house doesn't rape and pillage? They slipped over a lot of the wilding storyline but I hope they come back to it when well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) The show Thenns have definitely made them look more vicious. Then again, it was mentioned several times that the clans don't get along very well in both the book and the show and would fight amongst themselves. Mance uniting all of them towards one purpose was definitely a feat. Edited April 21, 2014 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 12:17 PM) What house doesn't rape and pillage? They slipped over a lot of the wilding storyline but I hope they come back to it when well... That's another topic, pretty much everyone in the books is a vicious douchebag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 12:20 PM) That's another topic, pretty much everyone in the books is a vicious douchebag. But that's kind of my point. The wildlings turned out to be not that much different than the civilized folks south of the wall. And in the show, especially last night, they seem to be sneaking away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 12:51 PM) But that's kind of my point. The wildlings turned out to be not that much different than the civilized folks south of the wall. And in the show, especially last night, they seem to be sneaking away from that. That's just not true. Some of the Wildlings had redeeming qualities (Tormund'd sense of humor) but they were still uncivilized savages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Hasn't Sterling, Cooper, & Price ever heard of FaceTime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 01:29 PM) That's just not true. Some of the Wildlings had redeeming qualities (Tormund'd sense of humor) but they were still uncivilized savages. To me their only uncivilized trait was being free vs following a king. They may have had their share of savages but no more than the "civilization" south of the wall. The TV show ignored this in the last episode but I assume they will bring their same nature back in when Mance's army gets let passed the wall when the white walkers start advancing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Silicon Valley was very good this week. But man, how many shows have we seen have a vison quest episode? I'm glad it wasn't the main story in the episode, but just off the top of my head shows to include that event include Entourage, Blue Mountain State, Workaholics, King of the Hill, Eastbound and Down, and now Silicon Valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 03:55 PM) To me their only uncivilized trait was being free vs following a king. They may have had their share of savages but no more than the "civilization" south of the wall. The TV show ignored this in the last episode but I assume they will bring their same nature back in when Mance's army gets let passed the wall when the white walkers start advancing Well they were highly disorganized and fought each other constantly, hence the uncivilized comments I think. They didnt have much in the way of technology either, only the Thenn's did any metalwork, and that was limited to bronze. But yes, in the books they were not as evil as they are portraying the Thenn's to be, but I sort of understand the need to make one group an extremist group in the show. If the audience starts to see that the Wildings aren't so bad then they won't truly understand the "craziness" of Jon bringing them south of the wall. Also, anyone else a little upset that Stannis left off last season being alerted that the Wall was under attack and all gungho about it but now that seemingly has been completely dropped off? It seems a bit too obvious that they jumped the gun on that storyline and now have a bunch of filler (the Iron Bank part was a good write in but for the most part those scenes are straight filler of Stannis being indecisive). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 08:48 PM) Also, anyone else a little upset that Stannis left off last season being alerted that the Wall was under attack and all gungho about it but now that seemingly has been completely dropped off? It seems a bit too obvious that they jumped the gun on that storyline and now have a bunch of filler (the Iron Bank part was a good write in but for the most part those scenes are straight filler of Stannis being indecisive). I definitely think they jumped the gun on a couple of plot lines (Theon jumps out to me. They're going to have to keep torturing him for quite a while). They're already bringing in a bunch of tidbits from Feast and Storm, so I'll be curious to see what the hell they do with some of this stuff in future seasons. It also doesn't help that a lot of the material from those books isn't particularly TV-friendly (ie lots of setup/background info). Edited April 22, 2014 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 04:36 PM) Silicon Valley was very good this week. But man, how many shows have we seen have a vison quest episode? I'm glad it wasn't the main story in the episode, but just off the top of my head shows to include that event include Entourage, Blue Mountain State, Workaholics, King of the Hill, Eastbound and Down, and now Silicon Valley. Mike Judge did also make King of the Hill, so that much makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 08:09 AM) Cosmos told one of my all-time favorite science stories last night, Dr. Patterson, the age of the Earth, and lead poisoning. I saw this last night. It's definitely been the best episode of the new series thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Anyone watch Money Talks on CNBC? Watching on demand. About sports betters in Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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