witesoxfan Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 08:42 AM) Unless Flowers or Phegley suffer a long term injury I can't see us trying to hide a catcher for an entire 162 game season. It's not like he's that great a prospect where it would be worth it. Phegley is much more deserving of MLB ABs and not sure what Flowers option situation is. Either way it would still be hiding him since he hasn't appeared above A ball. So yeah I think we offer him back. That's most likely at the start of the season but if not then, then some point later. I think Nieto will break camp with the Sox almost no matter what, and I think he will have to show true, pure, 100% incompetence to not make the team. I also think the Sox will try and work out a deal with Washington to keep him either way. It's obvious Washington wasn't high on him, but the Sox scouts saw something they like (though who knows if that's a good or bad thing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 03:46 PM) I think Nieto will break camp with the Sox almost no matter what, and I think he will have to show true, pure, 100% incompetence to not make the team. I also think the Sox will try and work out a deal with Washington to keep him either way. It's obvious Washington wasn't high on him, but the Sox scouts saw something they like (though who knows if that's a good or bad thing). I agree with the latter. I think there's a definite chance he sticks with us even if offered back. That would be ideal. We don't have to hide him and he immediately becomes our top catcher prospect. As for the former, whose spot do you have him taking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 08:48 AM) I agree with the latter. I think there's a definite chance he sticks with us even if offered back. That would be ideal. We don't have to hide him and he immediately becomes our top catcher prospect. As for the former, whose spot do you have him taking? If he is offered back, WAS will take him without a doubt. They get a guy back who they think is a fringe prospect, and make 25k to boot? Of course they will take him back and put him back in the minors. Why wouldn't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 03:04 PM) If he is offered back, WAS will take him without a doubt. They get a guy back who they think is a fringe prospect, and make 25k to boot? Of course they will take him back and put him back in the minors. Why wouldn't they? You offer him back first and then work something out with WAS like wite was saying. They don't seem to like him and we do, so it could be some pretty minor compensation. Edited January 15, 2014 by Buehrle>Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 08:48 AM) I agree with the latter. I think there's a definite chance he sticks with us even if offered back. That would be ideal. We don't have to hide him and he immediately becomes our top catcher prospect. As for the former, whose spot do you have him taking? Flowers. There'll be a team's catcher that gets hurt in camp and the Sox will offer him for an A-ball arm or a guy out of options that they think they can keep. I think they'll try and work out a deal with Washington for Nieto prior to that to keep him in the system, in which case they'd go Flowers/Phegley, but I honestly don't believe they'll offer Nieto back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 03:09 PM) Flowers. There'll be a team's catcher that gets hurt in camp and the Sox will offer him for an A-ball arm or a guy out of options that they think they can keep. I think they'll try and work out a deal with Washington for Nieto prior to that to keep him in the system, in which case they'd go Flowers/Phegley, but I honestly don't believe they'll offer Nieto back. I have nothing really to add other than that I think it's funny I'm defending Flowers roster spot and you're giving it away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Is Flowers participating in this hitting camp? I haven't seen his name mentioned. Pretty ominous if Nieto and Phegley are participating. I think Tyler may be getting dealt. Who knows, maybe Flowers eventually gets sent to WAS to let the Sox keep Nieto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 09:13 AM) I have nothing really to add other than that I think it's funny I'm defending Flowers roster spot and you're giving it away. It is ironic, but I grew pretty tired of him this year. He's proven he's a capable backup, but he barely holds a shred of value any more and he's getting to the point of being a AAAA player. I have worded the past two posts poorly though too. Initially, I want to see if they can keep Nieto and option him to the minors. However, I still think Phegley has a chance to be a nice catcher in the majors, even after his terrible performance during his call up last year, and I think he can be a .750 OPS kind of guy, and I don't think they are giving Nieto back. That leaves Flowers as the odd man out because they can't afford to keep 3 s***ty catchers. It'll go until about the last week of Spring though, so there will be plenty of time to make the proper decision. Maybe someone gets hurt or Phegley proves he is completely incapable of handling the job full time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 03:18 PM) Is Flowers participating in this hitting camp? I haven't seen his name mentioned. Pretty ominous if Nieto and Phegley are participating. I think Tyler may be getting dealt. Who knows, maybe Flowers eventually gets sent to WAS to let the Sox keep Nieto. I think it's more for the rookies so they aren't making him go. When we've ran this camp before though some of the non invited would show up anyways so hopefully he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 09:25 AM) I think it's more for the rookies so they aren't making him go. When we've ran this camp before though some of the non invited would show up anyways so hopefully he did. That makes sense, and hopefully he did is right. 3 1/2 months removed from the 2013 nightmare, you sometimes forget how awful a lot of these guys were last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 08:48 AM) I agree with the latter. I think there's a definite chance he sticks with us even if offered back. That would be ideal. We don't have to hide him and he immediately becomes our top catcher prospect. As for the former, whose spot do you have him taking? I see him taking Phegley, but then again, who cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 15 guys were there. http://m.mlb.com/video/v31303825/hahn-and-...itting-minicamp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 07:51 PM) 15 guys were there. http://m.mlb.com/video/v31303825/hahn-and-...itting-minicamp Also talks about Eaton and Abreu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 07:54 PM) Also talks about Eaton and Abreu. Abreu is a big man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 Daryl Van Schouwen @CST_soxvan 25m Steverson on Abreu: 'it actually looked better than what I thought. He is a very serious hitter. Has a plan, an idea about what he does." Hitting coach Todd Steverson on Jose Abreu: He has a compact swing and thunder in the bat head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 17, 2014 -> 02:31 PM) Daryl Van Schouwen @CST_soxvan 25m Steverson on Abreu: 'it actually looked better than what I thought. He is a very serious hitter. Has a plan, an idea about what he does." Hitting coach Todd Steverson on Jose Abreu: He has a compact swing and thunder in the bat head. That's a silly place to keep thunder, he should just keep it in the sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 17, 2014 -> 03:42 PM) That's a silly place to keep thunder, he should just keep it in the sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Does anyone find it strange that Viciedo was not mentioned in this hitting camp? I would assume that he'd be there with Abreu, Davidson, and Eaton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Viciedo's presence would not be good for hitting camp morale. When Abreu discovers just how incompetent Dayan is, he'll probably bust his balls and tell him to raft back to Cuba. We'll want Dunn and/or Konerko around to break up the fight. If there's anything that Viciedo is good for, it's screwing over the team, so it stands to reason that he could potentially injure Abreu if there's any beef. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jan 19, 2014 -> 12:59 PM) Viciedo's presence would not be good for hitting camp morale. When Abreu discovers just how incompetent Dayan is, he'll probably bust his balls and tell him to raft back to Cuba. We'll want Dunn and/or Konerko around to break up the fight. If there's anything that Viciedo is good for, it's screwing over the team, so it stands to reason that he could potentially injure Abreu if there's any beef. Ok! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jan 19, 2014 -> 11:59 AM) Viciedo's presence would not be good for hitting camp morale. When Abreu discovers just how incompetent Dayan is, he'll probably bust his balls and tell him to raft back to Cuba. We'll want Dunn and/or Konerko around to break up the fight. If there's anything that Viciedo is good for, it's screwing over the team, so it stands to reason that he could potentially injure Abreu if there's any beef. Wow. Quite the DV fan! Dayan will likely get all of this year to improve greatly, or he'll be gone before '15. Either way, it's a strategy I can live with. Personally, I would have had both he and Gordo at the camp - Steverson is their last-chance tutor. Dv COULD still become something, and isn't blocking any of the future core, currently. Gordo, who's had way more chances than Tank (and perhaps deservedly due to competent+ D), should get 1/2 season, and due to near-ready competition from prospects, I'd probably trade him even if he has a good first half - perhaps especially so. Only if he performs at a star level would I consider keeping him long-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jan 19, 2014 -> 01:45 PM) Wow. Quite the DV fan! Dayan will likely get all of this year to improve greatly, or he'll be gone before '15. Either way, it's a strategy I can live with. Personally, I would have had both he and Gordo at the camp - Steverson is their last-chance tutor. Dv COULD still become something, and isn't blocking any of the future core, currently. Gordo, who's had way more chances than Tank (and perhaps deservedly due to competent+ D), should get 1/2 season, and due to near-ready competition from prospects, I'd probably trade him even if he has a good first half - perhaps especially so. Only if he performs at a star level would I consider keeping him long-term. He had a stellar 2012 season and a monster 2nd-half 2013 (1st half injury slowed him down). Give him another year, 25/80 hitters are not easy to find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 19, 2014 -> 12:49 PM) He had a stellar 2012 season and a monster 2nd-half 2013 (1st half injury slowed him down). Give him another year, 25/80 hitters are not easy to find. ? to bolded, but yeah, he gets the whole year. We're talking about DV, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jan 19, 2014 -> 01:54 PM) ? to bolded, but yeah, he gets the whole year. We're talking about DV, right? Yeah, DV. He went 25/78 in 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) After this season, the DH situation will obviously be very different, and quite an unknown at this juncture. To be our "DH of the future", I think I need to see an 800+ OPS from Tank, or something very close. Otherwise, he needs to improve a lot in the field, and I'd put money on the former, rather than the latter. I've been a fan from the get-go, so certainly pulling for him. Eventually, I want a fast and excellent defensive OF backing up a top-shelf pitching staff. We've got a few of these speedy OF guys in the system, some others that may convert to the OF, plus Eaton now. Hopefully, DV is primarily a DH by that time - or gains value as a trade piece in the interim. Edited January 19, 2014 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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