StrangeSox Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 23, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) Oh no it is f***ing not. Drunk driving is drunk driving. Since when are people so gullible when it comes to this s***? You all drink, right? You know. Why is it not enough to just say "it's up to you if you had too much but if you kill someone it's your ass"? uh, that bolded part? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 23, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) Oh no it is f***ing not. Drunk driving is drunk driving. Since when are people so gullible when it comes to this s***? You all drink, right? You know. Why is it not enough to just say "it's up to you if you had too much but if you kill someone it's your ass"? Because it isn't just your ass, it is also the person who you killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 23, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) Oh no it is f***ing not. Drunk driving is drunk driving. Since when are people so gullible when it comes to this s***? You all drink, right? You know. Why is it not enough to just say "it's up to you if you had too much but if you kill someone it's your ass"? If I could make it so that if you kill someone drunk driving you die and they come back to life, sure, go for it. But unfortunately if you cant fix the result, you have to try and stop it before it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Because it isn't just your ass, it is also the person who you killed. Here we are on the path to the Minority Report argument that I'm not sure if I've had on ST yet. Let's just go through the formalities: But how do you from certain a guy after 3 beers is going to kill someone? How do you even know who's fault it actually is when if one driver has a drop in his system everyone just gives up investigating and exclaims "DRUNK DRIVING KILLS BOOM /GAVEL"? It's .04 for CDL's nationwide no matter what we're driving. I could be riding a bike at .05 and I get a DUI. Ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 You don't know for certain, which is why you have a universal law without exception. It's not like DUI laws and increased enforcement haven't had substantial impacts. http://report.nih.gov/nihfactsheets/ViewFa...et.aspx?csid=24 If you can't control yourself and not be over 0.08 before driving, you have a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 23, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) Oh no it is f***ing not. Drunk driving is drunk driving. Since when are people so gullible when it comes to this s***? You all drink, right? You know. Why is it not enough to just say "it's up to you if you had too much but if you kill someone it's your ass"? Other than the part about the innocent person being killed and the ripple down effect their death could have on others, really nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 You don't know for certain, which is why you have a universal law without exception. It's not like DUI laws and increased enforcement haven't had substantial impacts. http://report.nih.gov/nihfactsheets/ViewFa...et.aspx?csid=24 If you can't control yourself and not be over 0.08 before driving, you have a problem. .08 is by definition two beers. Two. As in 2. 1 + 1. That's not a matter of self control. That's a matter of blunt force solutions to relatively nonexistent problems. The drunks out on the roads are no more likely to kill you than half blind Grandpa or riced out Corolla treating public roads like the Monaco GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Also, laws don't exist in a vacuum--they have effects on us. If the drunk driving laws were any less strict than they already are, I would never drive anywhere after 9pm unless it was absolutely necessary. I know I'm not in the majority, but there are enough people like me to make a significant dent in the profits of businesses that operate that late. I already go to the local casino poker room less frequently than I would otherwise (which may be a good thing) because the last 10 miles of the trip there is on a 2-lane road that is notorious for drunk driving crashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Wow what a s*** show. Dont feed the troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 23, 2014 -> 02:08 PM) .08 is by definition two beers. Two. As in 2. 1 + 1. There's no "by definition" as it varies from person to person and day to day. That's not a matter of self control. That's a matter of blunt force solutions to relatively nonexistent problems. Sounds like you're making excuses for not being able to stop yourself from drinking more than legally allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Public floggings for DUIs. That'll get em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 There's no "by definition" as it varies from person to person and day to day. Sounds like you're making excuses for not being able to stop yourself from drinking more than legally allowed. Well I obviously can't even drink at night and drive the next morning anymore because my limit is .04. And if I get one I'm Royally f***ed. So yea, I have the self control even if I'm playing by an absolutely ridiculous set of rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Pretty sure you can drink responsibly one night and wake up sober the next morning. If you drink so much that you're not sober by the time you have to go to your job (and yours just happens to be driving a massive vehicle on public roads), you have a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 23, 2014 -> 02:08 PM) .08 is by definition two beers. Two. As in 2. 1 + 1. This is absolutely not true and is incomplete/incorrect without further context. If I have 1 beer at 8:30 AM and 1 beer 1 1:12 PM, do you really think I'm going to blow a .08? Also, alcohol typically increases your BAC by .02 per drink. Some can be more or less than the standard, but that's your rule of thumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Also would depend on the beer! A couple Dogfish Head 90 minute IPAs could easily get you above 0.08, but it might take five miller lites in the same time period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Pretty sure you can drink responsibly one night and wake up sober the next morning. If you drink so much that you're not sober by the time you have to go to your job (and yours just happens to be driving a massive vehicle on public roads), you have a problem. Doesn't matter what I'm driving. The .04 limit applies to a f***ing riding lawnmower. And yea, if I work myself up to a .14ish at home passing out at 2 AM and drive 3 miles to get an omelette at 7-8 AM you can bet there's something still floating around in my system. Even though I'm probably just hungover and the only effect alcohol is still having is a headache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 You fall asleep drunk at 2AM with a pretty high BAC, yeah, you're probably still going to be impaired five hours later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 23, 2014 -> 02:08 PM) .08 is by definition two beers. Two. As in 2. 1 + 1. That's not a matter of self control. That's a matter of blunt force solutions to relatively nonexistent problems. The drunks out on the roads are no more likely to kill you than half blind Grandpa or riced out Corolla treating public roads like the Monaco GP. I handled a lot of DUI prosecutions when I was in AZ... and there is a big difference between .08 and .38 (the highest amount I saw come across my desk from a blood draw). .08 is the legal limit... but most DUIs I saw were significantly higher than that, which is quite different than half blind grandpa or exhausted trucker. Also, while the legal limit in AZ is .08, they also have a standard of "impaired to the slightest degree." Greater burden on the prosecutor to prove the impairment (you are presumed to be impaired above .08), but being below .08 does not stop a DUI. Just a heads up for anyone heading out that way for Spring Training this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 lmao@duke. And I get called a troll for unpopular basketball opinions? This guy is a ratchet abomination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 23, 2014 -> 03:55 PM) lmao@duke. And I get called a troll for unpopular basketball opinions? This guy is a ratchet abomination. Brother you aren't even in his area code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 It takes more than two to blow a .08 for most people. But let the hyperbole and falsehoods continue. Using a couple calculators I found on-line (message me if you need help finding one) a 150 guy drinking two beers in 10 minutes would be .045. Start spreading out those two beers and it drops quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 23, 2014 -> 12:50 PM) Well, you'd have to struggle to get pulled over for a DUI in Chicago. Maybe wrong way down Lake Shore Dr in reverse with your left turn signal on would get them to at least breathalyze you. This is actually true. What is also true is that you never get parking tickets when the weather is bad. Cops just won't get out of their cars. If it's stormy enough, you can literally park on the steps of city hall. I now live in a Colorado county where DUI's and related charges are the local cottage industry. It's like running a gauntlet coming home from the bars or nearby casinos. The opposite of Chicago - I'm referring to the city, not the burbs. Edited January 23, 2014 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 23, 2014 -> 05:01 PM) It takes more than two to blow a .08 for most people. But let the hyperbole and falsehoods continue. Using a couple calculators I found on-line (message me if you need help finding one) a 150 guy drinking two beers in 10 minutes would be .045. Start spreading out those two beers and it drops quickly. But of course, it's worth noting in addition to this that tests show impairment in driving ability starts at >0.0 BAC. It increases with increasing BAC of course, but a 0.045 BAC does involve reduced response times and degraded performance in most skill categories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 The whole impaired driving argument is why I thought the legalization of marijuana wouldn't happen this fast. As we've become stricter and stricter about impaired driving, adding another legal substance to the list of potential causes seemed to run counter to conventional wisdom. And before someone posts that they drive better high than straight then why isn't there a scandal in autoracing calling marijuana a performace enhancing drug? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 The biggest trigger to repeated drunk driving is doing it without having something bad happen. This is why it's illegal. It hopefully stops anyone from doing it once, but if they do, it drastically increases the chance of "something bad" happening without increasing the chance somebody dies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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