Dunt Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Erik Johnson in at 70 and Matt Davidson at 80, Courtney Hawkins drops out of the top 100. Thoughts? Pretty fair IMO, excited to have a few guys on there, expect more next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I'm actually surprised Johnson is rated so poorly. I expect him to be around #50. Davidson seems fair. Would have expected to see Semien in the 90s, but no big oversight there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 23, 2014 -> 11:33 PM) I'm actually surprised Johnson is rated so poorly. I expect him to be around #50. Davidson seems fair. Would have expected to see Semien in the 90s, but no big oversight there. Semien needs to follow it up at AAA Charlotte this season and he will be in the big leagues and/or rise into the top 100. He doesn't have one skill that stands out, but seems to be 50 grade or better across the board. I'm a bit surprised that Johnson isn't higher up as well, certainly a top 50 prospect in my eyes. He is 24 this season, and older than many other prospects, but he already has a major league frame at 6'3" 235 lbs. My grades on him are: Fastball 91-94 with decent movement and location: 60 Curveball is more than just a below average show me pitch and should be league average 50 Slider is a true plus pitch for Johnson and he locates it well 60 Changeup 50 and could get better with Cooper's teaching Control 60 Overall 60 I see him being an above average mlb starter who can eat innings with his strong frame. Solid #3 starter with the potential to become a #2 caliber. I like Erik Johnson better than the #56 prospect RHP Jake Odorizzi on the Rays. Johnson has a stronger frame, better fastball and better international league numbers this past year (both are similar prospects overall though and profile as solid middle of the rotation guys) Davidson should start the year in AAA for at least a month or two before he is rushed to the big leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I think a lot of scouts aren't high on Johnson's ceiling and don't see him getting lefties out at the next level due to lack of third pitch. Of course, development of third pitch is why he's gotten as good as he is now so we can assume it has been chronically underrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 10:01 AM) I think a lot of scouts aren't high on Johnson's ceiling and don't see him getting lefties out at the next level due to lack of third pitch. Of course, development of third pitch is why he's gotten as good as he is now so we can assume it has been chronically underrated. While he was outstanding against right handed batters in AAA, his numbers against lefties were not awful there. Like I said earlier I think Johnson is just as good of a prospect as Jake Odorizzi on in the Tampa Bay system who is ranked at #56. I agree that he might be one of the most underrated prospects in baseball right now. Johnson has been great the past two seasons combined in the minors: 234 ip / 182 hits / 69 walks / 218 k's / 1.13 WHIP / 2.19 ERA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I'd put Johnson at 75, Davidson at 58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 How is Kolten Wong at #58 overall and Marcus Semien isn't even in the top 100? Semien may actually be a better player than Wong is. Doesn't make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I'd like to see how prospect lists from 5-10 years ago panned out. They're fun I guess, but they're also kind of irrelevant in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 25, 2014 -> 09:51 AM) How is Kolten Wong at #58 overall and Marcus Semien isn't even in the top 100? Semien may actually be a better player than Wong is. Doesn't make any sense. 100% agree. I don't see how Wong can be considered a significantly better prospect than Semien. I'm guessing people look at Wong's AAA line and forget he played in the PCL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Very surprised that Semien wasn't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 25, 2014 -> 07:24 PM) LOL. Yeah, have to agree there. I have seen two writers say they prefer Semien to Wong. I believe they were Keith Law and Kiley McDaniel but don't quote me on that. There's probably a White Sox-Cardinals bias there too. Cardinals turn marginal prospects (Craig and Carpenter) into great players and the White Sox turn marginal hitting prospects into absolutely nothing. Here was Jonathan Mayo's response to me: Jonathan Mayo @JonathanMayoB3 10h @JamesFox917 @jimcallis His tools don't measure up. I like him, but Wongs tools much better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 To me, the main thing Wong has (other than LH bat, which is important) is not so much talent as it is track record. Semien's never been bad, but he's only spent a few months on the legitimate prospect radar. Too much uncertainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 11:11 AM) To me, the main thing Wong has (other than LH bat, which is important) is not so much talent as it is track record. Semien's never been bad, but he's only spent a few months on the legitimate prospect radar. Too much uncertainty. And he's not on STL, NY, or Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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