ewokpelts Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 This s*** ain't new. Anyone remember Albert belle's...um.....er.......ladyfriend (and onetime poster here and at WSI) Steff read Williams the riot act 2004? And that made the news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Jan 25, 2014 -> 11:14 PM) Except Dunn's contract isn't really a sunk cost. That term doesn't apply when you have the possibility of removing the liability in the future. If Dunn plays even a little better than he did last year or in 2012, he's potentially a tradeable player, and perhaps one from whom we can scratch out a tiny bit of marginal value. The cost of his salary isn't sunk since there's potential to remove it. And the people saying "I don't want to pay him to play for another team" ARE regarding the cost of his contract as sunk. They are saying that if the money's getting paid out of our pockets no matter what, they'd rather keep his 30-40 HRs in Chicago. And yes, the people paying for tickets absolutely have the right to behave like dicks. That doesn't make them not dicks. Scratching out a tiny bit of marginal value isn't worth the dread that accompanies him. Even when he does something good like walk, it takes three hits to score him. Dunn is a relic of the way baseball used to be played and has no business on a rebuilding team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 12:19 PM) Scratching out a tiny bit of marginal value isn't worth the dread that accompanies him. Even when he does something good like walk, it takes three hits to score him. Dunn is a relic of the way baseball used to be played and has no business on a rebuilding team. Not worth the dread as a fan or not worth the dread as a GM? Because it's always worth it to get value out of your players as a GM. He may be frustrating to watch (I'm with you there) but he doesn't actually cost us much during the rebuild. I guess it gives them the chance to move Viciedo to DH and keep De Aza but it might be too early for that anyway. Are you afraid he'll teach the new guys bad habits or something, or are your sensibilities so offended you just can't take him anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 09:39 AM) Not worth the dread as a fan or not worth the dread as a GM? Because it's always worth it to get value out of your players as a GM. He may be frustrating to watch (I'm with you there) but he doesn't actually cost us much during the rebuild. I guess it gives them the chance to move Viciedo to DH and keep De Aza but it might be too early for that anyway. Are you afraid he'll teach the new guys bad habits or something, or are your sensibilities so offended you just can't take him anymore? I think he costs the team good will as we heard with the episode at Soxfest. I also think keeping him makes the organization look cheap in the eyes of the common fan and provides them with a reason to question the rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 10:56 AM) I think he costs the team good will as we heard with the episode at Soxfest. I also think keeping him makes the organization look cheap in the eyes of the common fan and provides them with a reason to question the rebuild. Your posts get more and more ridiculous by the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 11:01 AM) Your posts get more and more ridiculous by the day. Since you brought it up again, I don't respect your opinion either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Once again, Adam Dunn is not at a seminar that he's supposed to be at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 11:14 AM) Once again, Adam Dunn is not at a seminar that he's supposed to be at. Why would he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 The sox really messed up here. Dunn has been hearing it from the fans for a while now because of his s*** performance and high salary, so wtf was the front office thinking when they asked Dunn to attend Soxfest? Talk about setting the guy up for failure. Bad idea by the Sox for asking, bad idea by Dunn for accepting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 12:42 AM) It does not come with the territory to treat people like that. You can say they played bad, I'm sure he knows that, but to constantly treat him like that is wrong. Maybe it's just the parent in me but when people behave that poorly, you do have the right to tell them they should treat others with respect. It's just being civilized. I think you are correct in your stand. Booing baseball players from other teams when they are in your house is one thing and can be considered part of the game-right or wrong. You don't boo your own or otherwise treat them with disrespect. Dunn knows the issues with his performance are wanting but the guy is trying to do his best. You can't tell me any player purposely doesn't perform. I read the posts and I just don't think this type of criticism and derision has a place and certainly is not acceptable in fans actions towards a player or even towards one of us on this board. Civility and courtesy and respect should be the rule Edited January 26, 2014 by elrockinMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 12:10 PM) The sox really messed up here. Dunn has been hearing it from the fans for a while now because of his s*** performance and high salary, so wtf was the front office thinking when they asked Dunn to attend Soxfest? Talk about setting the guy up for failure. Bad idea by the Sox for asking, bad idea by Dunn for accepting. Absolutely, the Sox are to blame here. The only reason I can think of for inviting Dunn is that Courtney Hawkins was next on the Soxfest depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 12:20 PM) Absolutely, the Sox are to blame here. The only reason I can think of for inviting Dunn is that Courtney Hawkins was next on the Soxfest depth chart. What's funny is that Dunn isn't even the worst player on the Sox but people hate him. People just hate strikeouts. Anyone that would have booed 19 year old Courtney Hawkins should have been blown up immediately though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Everybody who plays with Dunn will know how he was treated at Soxfest. I'm sure that will help with free agent signings. I would expect humans to be humane to other humans even if they are bad ball players. I think it is a meat head move to treat a player badly at a fan convention. I guess I expected Sox fans to be smarter than that. It is one thing for a for a drunk fan to boo from the stands after a strike out. I boo a guy out of uniform... classless. I listened to Dunn being interviewed by Levine on a 670 score podcast. Dunn sounded depressed to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Dunn had the highest OPS and OPS÷ on the White Sox last year. And the dope with the crack about Ventura, just classless. You might get more info if yoj just politely tell him you think he should be screaming all the time. What horrible examples they were to the kids at those seminars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 02:16 PM) Dunn had the highest OPS and OPS÷ on the White Sox last year. And the dope with the crack about Ventura, just classless. You might get more info if yoj just politely tell him you think he should be screaming all the time. What horrible examples they were to the kids at those seminars. I'm going to waste the day now trying to come up with something that could legitimately be called OPS÷. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 01:08 PM) What's funny is that Dunn isn't even the worst player on the Sox but people hate him. People just hate strikeouts. Anyone that would have booed 19 year old Courtney Hawkins should have been blown up immediately though. I think the treatment of Dunn by the fans is frustration that he's still on the team and this is the way to get that message to management. Sox management must have thought there wasn't a problem otherwise he wouldn't be at the event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 01:16 PM) Dunn had the highest OPS and OPS÷ on the White Sox last year. And the dope with the crack about Ventura, just classless. You might get more info if yoj just politely tell him you think he should be screaming all the time. What horrible examples they were to the kids at those seminars. What the f*** is OPS÷? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 01:08 PM) What's funny is that Dunn isn't even the worst player on the Sox but people hate him. People just hate strikeouts. Anyone that would have booed 19 year old Courtney Hawkins should have been blown up immediately though. He may not be the worst player on the team, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been the biggest dissapoinment. This is a guy who was regularly posting wRC+'s in the 130 to 140 range prior to signing with us. Last year he was paid $14M to post a wRC+ of 105 and provide negative value on defense. While some people may dislike him just for the strikeouts, I think most people hate him because he's a one-dimensional player who is no longer very good at that one dimension while making a f***ton of money. On top of that, Dunn is a guy who publically acknowledges he does almost no offseason work and doesn't appear to be in good physical condition come Opening Day. That's fine when you are producing on the field, but once age starts catching up with you and your physical abilities start to decline, maybe said player should start putting some work in the offseason and actually try to earn his paycheck. And while I will never condone fans for attacking him at a fan convention, as that's some cowardly s***, I don't think he deserves any sympathy from us if he gets booed during games. I'm sure in the minority on that, but I don't think he's a guy who's given his all with us. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's honestly the way I see things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 12:20 PM) Absolutely, the Sox are to blame here. The only reason I can think of for inviting Dunn is that Courtney Hawkins was next on the Soxfest depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 01:32 PM) I think the treatment of Dunn by the fans is frustration that he's still on the team and this is the way to get that message to management. Sox management must have thought there wasn't a problem otherwise he wouldn't be at the event. I think the comment to Robin was just plain dumb and an assinine thing to say and I'm not a fan of him as a manager. I don't blame the fans for their frustration with Dunn, im frustrated too after three seasons of his performance. Truthfully I don't think what was said about Dunn was terrible at all, that fan could have said much much worse. The fan just expressed his frustration that Dunn was still in a Sox uni, no big deal to me. I wouldn't have done it but I wouldn't have attended that seminar because I'm frustrated with Dunn's performance. After 99 losses, high ticket prices, high concessions etc and given this is a free country the fans are well within their right to voice their frustraton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 01:54 PM) He may not be the worst player on the team, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been the biggest dissapoinment. This is a guy who was regularly posting wRC+'s in the 130 to 140 range prior to signing with us. Last year he was paid $14M to post a wRC+ of 105 and provide negative value on defense. While some people may dislike him just for the strikeouts, I think most people hate him because he's a one-dimensional player who is no longer very good at that one dimension while making a f***ton of money. On top of that, Dunn is a guy who publically acknowledges he does almost no offseason work and doesn't appear to be in good physical condition come Opening Day. That's fine when you are producing on the field, but once age starts catching up with you and your physical abilities start to decline, maybe said player should start putting some work in the offseason and actually try to earn his paycheck. And while I will never condone fans for attacking him at a fan convention, as that's some cowardly s***, I don't think he deserves any sympathy from us if he gets booed during games. I'm sure in the minority on that, but I don't think he's a guy who's given his all with us. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's honestly the way I see things. When has he admitted he does no offseason work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 01:53 PM) What the f*** is OPS÷? lmao. This Jose Abreu character is funny as f***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Coop basically said that Erik Johnson is all but guaranteed a spot in the rotation next year. Nothing new, just reiterating what he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 01:59 PM) When has he admitted he does no offseason work? His first year here he said that he never swung a bat in the off-season. That has morphed into this now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 01:55 PM) I think the comment to Robin was just plain dumb and an assinine thing to say and I'm not a fan of him as a manager. I don't blame the fans for their frustration with Dunn, im frustrated too after three seasons of his performance. Truthfully I don't think what was said about Dunn was terrible at all, that fan could have said much much worse. The fan just expressed his frustration that Dunn was still in a Sox uni, no big deal to me. I wouldn't have done it but I wouldn't have attended that seminar because I'm frustrated with Dunn's performance. After 99 losses, high ticket prices, high concessions etc and given this is a free country the fans are well within their right to voice their frustraton. Tickets can be had very cheap. They could lower prices and Sox fans still wouldn't go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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