witesoxfan Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 11:20 AM) If the Sox wanted to do that, they'd have traded for a CF prospect instead of a ML ready CF. I don't think this is necessarily true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 C'mon, Eaton is a virtual lock to start the season in CF; he might not end the season there, but he'll almost certainly start it there. That's why they made the trade. Regarding Davidson, I remain surprised that so many here think he will start 2014 in AAA. I cannot see Hahn trading Reed for Davidson just to put him in Charlotte for more seasoning. Reed is simply too attractive to too many teams not to get a major league player for him. If Davidson starts at Charlotte and hits .250ish, this could turn out to be an unpopular trade, at least initially. Reed should do well in AZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (oldsox @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 12:12 PM) C'mon, Eaton is a virtual lock to start the season in CF; he might not end the season there, but he'll almost certainly start it there. That's why they made the trade. Regarding Davidson, I remain surprised that so many here think he will start 2014 in AAA. I cannot see Hahn trading Reed for Davidson just to put him in Charlotte for more seasoning. Reed is simply too attractive to too many teams not to get a major league player for him. If Davidson starts at Charlotte and hits .250ish, this could turn out to be an unpopular trade, at least initially. Reed should do well in AZ. I don't think Hahn should give a damn about the perception of getting an immediate major league player in return for Reed. Davidson is part of the White Sox future and I think he could use some more time in AAA. I think the risk of him hitting .200ish in the majors and losing confidence is more real than him doing poorly in Charlotte. This quote also makes me think he is probably destined for Charlotte. "I want to stick in the big leagues," Davidson said. "I don't want to be just up and down. Whenever that timetable is, I'm okay with that as long as the long term is sticking there." Edited January 29, 2014 by southside hitman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 09:08 AM) Then why is he still here? For one, Viciedo has not yet managed to be a better player than him. Last year he was not even a better power hitter (his only plus tool?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 03:38 PM) For one, Viciedo has not yet managed to be a better player than him. Last year he was not even a better power hitter (his only plus tool?). You keep saying this for some reason, probably because De Aza was able to hit 3 more HRs than Viciedo in 43% more plate appearances. Fact is Viciedo's ISO was .161 and De Aza's was .142. Viciedo was the better power hitter...end of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 07:46 PM) You keep saying this for some reason, probably because De Aza was able to hit 3 more HRs than Viciedo in 43% more plate appearances. Fact is Viciedo's ISO was .161 and De Aza's was .142. Viciedo was the better power hitter...end of story. You are right, Viciedo had a slightly higher ISO, though De Aza hit more home runs. I also thought Viciedo had more PAs than he did. My point still stands, that it shouldn't even be close when it is the only thing Viciedo can (theoretically) do better than an average player. It's why De Aza has accrued 4.9 WAR over the past 2 seasons compared to Viciedo's 0.2 WAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 09:49 PM) You are right, Viciedo had a slightly higher ISO, though De Aza hit more home runs. I also thought Viciedo had more PAs than he did. My point still stands, that it shouldn't even be close when it is the only thing Viciedo can (theoretically) do better than an average player. It's why De Aza has accrued 4.9 WAR over the past 2 seasons compared to Viciedo's 0.2 WAR. No doubt Viciedo has been a huge disappointment, but I still believe in the talent. Also, I feel that working with Steverson will help Dayan as much as anyone. Selective aggressiveness is Steverson's big philosophy and the lack of it is what's preventing Viciedo from becoming an impact hitter. Don't get me wrong, Dayan will always be a bit of a free-swinger, but even a small improvement in his selectiveness would make him way more dangerous at the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 30, 2014 -> 01:35 AM) No doubt Viciedo has been a huge disappointment, but I still believe in the talent. Also, I feel that working with Steverson will help Dayan as much as anyone. Selective aggressiveness is Steverson's big philosophy and the lack of it is what's preventing Viciedo from becoming an impact hitter. Don't get me wrong, Dayan will always be a bit of a free-swinger, but even a small improvement in his selectiveness would make him way more dangerous at the plate. Definitely agree with this. In the view brief periods during which Viciedo was completely eating MLB alive, it's not as though he was repeatedly being served meatballs. He was laying off some pitches and clobbering the ones in the zone. I really still think he has it in him, it's just not manifested itself. One of my biggest hopes for 2014 is that we can clear the DH spot so he can occupy it and work on his hitting while not costing us in the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Worth noting Dayan is only 24. If he was only just now getting called up, he'd be pretty age appropriate. Hopefully Steverson taps into his abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 08:57 PM) Worth noting Dayan is only 24. If he was only just now getting called up, he'd be pretty age appropriate. Hopefully Steverson taps into his abilities. From top to bottom the entire system has come a long way in a short time. I'm happy and still believe that we'll see even more steps forward before March baseball begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 30, 2014 -> 01:57 AM) Worth noting Dayan is only 24. If he was only just now getting called up, he'd be pretty age appropriate. Hopefully Steverson taps into his abilities. At the very least, I like the things Steverson has been saying. Nothing earth-shattering, but he's been more forthcoming about his philosophy than either of the previous two hitting coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 06:46 PM) You keep saying this for some reason, probably because De Aza was able to hit 3 more HRs than Viciedo in 43% more plate appearances. Fact is Viciedo's ISO was .161 and De Aza's was .142. Viciedo was the better power hitter...end of story. De Aza has been unquestionably better than Viciedo the past two years, and it isn't even remotely close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 10:47 AM) Adam Eaton being stuck in the minors to keep his service time down would frankly be a cheap, bush-league move. This is a guy who already earned a big league starting OF spot last year for a team. He gets hurt, sure he can go to the minors, but this is a 25 year old who has done his time. He only played 60 games last year in the majors, mostly due to injuries. When he did play he was more of a fourth OF splitting time between LF and CF backing up Kubel and Pollock. His slash line was .252/.314/.360, so he wasn't really humming along either. If they can't trade De Aza before the season, I don't see any negative to starting Eaton with Davidson, Semien, and Sanchez in AAA until you can deal off guys and open places for them to play. These deals were not made to win a WS this season, but to contend for the next 5 years after this season. I agree sticking him down just to keep service time down would be bush league, but if it is the long term interest to further his development and build value in Viciedo or De Aza for a deal, keeping his time down is a happy consequence not a reason for making the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 30, 2014 -> 12:51 AM) De Aza has been unquestionably better than Viciedo the past two years, and it isn't even remotely close. I have never said otherwise. However, that doesn't mean he will be the better player going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jan 30, 2014 -> 04:03 PM) He only played 60 games last year in the majors, mostly due to injuries. When he did play he was more of a fourth OF splitting time between LF and CF backing up Kubel and Pollock. His slash line was .252/.314/.360, so he wasn't really humming along either. If they can't trade De Aza before the season, I don't see any negative to starting Eaton with Davidson, Semien, and Sanchez in AAA until you can deal off guys and open places for them to play. These deals were not made to win a WS this season, but to contend for the next 5 years after this season. I agree sticking him down just to keep service time down would be bush league, but if it is the long term interest to further his development and build value in Viciedo or De Aza for a deal, keeping his time down is a happy consequence not a reason for making the move. Eaton posted a 163 wRC+ and a .995 OPS in AAA in 2012. I think he's shown he can handle AAA pitching. To best further his development, he needs regular at-bats against major league pitching. Starting him at Charlotte would be a huge mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 30, 2014 -> 04:45 PM) Eaton posted a 163 wRC+ and a .995 OPS in AAA in 2012. I think he's shown he can handle AAA pitching. To best further his development, he needs regular at-bats against major league pitching. Starting him at Charlotte would be a huge mistake. It would take an injury or a spring training disaster for that to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Were ADA in left field, hitting lower in the order, he'd be serving this team well. Lefty who doesnt have a noodle for a bat. I would expect them to choose Viciedo over him for an organizational-health perspective....but if next year were to matter then we'd be best served with ADA. DV is so bad in the outfield that it obscures the good arm he has Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Question for anyone who chooses to speculate: Despite ADA's disappointing year last year.....what are the chances that a team out there that needs CF or leadoff badly....does a little overpay? What teams out there even qualify as this? Seems like Leadoff-Type-Guy is something that was in shorter supply say in the mid to late aughts.....than it is now? Or maybe that the traditional leadoff just isnt the gotta-have-it focused-on thing it used to be? (not that he's exactly traditional leadoff, of course, in that he's more of a slugging guy with some past years of passable OBP) Edited January 31, 2014 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 31, 2014 -> 12:27 PM) Question for anyone who chooses to speculate: Despite ADA's disappointing year last year.....what are the chances that a team out there that needs CF or leadoff badly....does a little overpay? What teams out there even qualify as this? Seems like Leadoff-Type-Guy is something that was in shorter supply say in the mid to late aughts.....than it is now? Or maybe that the traditional leadoff just isnt the gotta-have-it focused-on thing it used to be? (not that he's exactly traditional leadoff, of course, in that he's more of a slugging guy with some past years of passable OBP) This winter? Slim to none. If it were true, it would have happened already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yeah, even as a guy that likes De Aza, you aren't going to get anyone to overpay for him at this point. His value is low right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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