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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 23, 2014 -> 09:34 PM)
Neither one of those guys were as successful as Harbaugh.

 

Neither one was as divisive as Harbaugh either. I've heard rumblings that he isn't very respected in the locker room. His personality and antics might actually do better in college in the long run.

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QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 23, 2014 -> 11:46 PM)
I think you're overestimating how much success plays into it, I think the exact reasons he would leave would be the Saban train of thought. Have control over everything, and control your own players, not rely on GM/draft/etc. In the NFL you can't just go get better talent than everyone else.

I'm just saying it's never happened before with a coach that's successful.

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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 08:09 AM)
Jameis Winston will no longer do midweek press conferences with the media so he can concentrate on academics. Right.

 

Have to wonder how much his character issues will affect him in the draft with everything that is going on in the NFL.

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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 23, 2014 -> 06:23 PM)
Wouldn't say that. Petrino and Sabana were making bank in the nfl but quickly left when they realize they can have way more control and still make money in college. Michigan probably fires their AD and offers the farm to Harbaugh. This is a guy who is the ultimate control freak as evidenced by his in house fighting in SF. He'll have to think about it.

Neither of them were successful. They ran back before they were going to get fired.

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 02:43 PM)
Some team will be, he has an excellent track record in the NFL so far.

Yeah, but he might love the idea of being the King of Ann Arbor. Personally, if I were him, I would stay in the NFL instead of BSing 17 year olds in an attempt to have them play for you. But maybe he wouldn't mind that. Michigan probably gives him a long term committment at huge dollars. Maybe he knows his schtick doesn't play long in the NFL, but works out well with guys who are younger and will be gone within 4 or 5 years.

 

Again, I agree, if he leaves SF, another NFL team probably offers him a sweet gig. But it wouldn't shock me if he ultimately wound up in Ann Arbor. He is kind of a unique guy. I actually played cards with him a long time ago when he was on the Bears.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 07:59 PM)
Yeah, but he might love the idea of being the King of Ann Arbor. Personally, if I were him, I would stay in the NFL instead of BSing 17 year olds in an attempt to have them play for you. But maybe he wouldn't mind that. Michigan probably gives him a long term committment at huge dollars. Maybe he knows his schtick doesn't play long in the NFL, but works out well with guys who are younger and will be gone within 4 or 5 years.

 

Again, I agree, if he leaves SF, another NFL team probably offers him a sweet gig. But it wouldn't shock me if he ultimately wound up in Ann Arbor. He is kind of a unique guy. I actually played cards with him a long time ago when he was on the Bears.

 

Keep in mind for College jobs:

- They are starting to pay just as much in some cases (see Texas' helicopter drop of money at Saban)

- Your assistants do much of the recruiting

- You have much, much more time off

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 02:59 PM)
Yeah, but he might love the idea of being the King of Ann Arbor. Personally, if I were him, I would stay in the NFL instead of BSing 17 year olds in an attempt to have them play for you. But maybe he wouldn't mind that. Michigan probably gives him a long term committment at huge dollars. Maybe he knows his schtick doesn't play long in the NFL, but works out well with guys who are younger and will be gone within 4 or 5 years.

 

Again, I agree, if he leaves SF, another NFL team probably offers him a sweet gig. But it wouldn't shock me if he ultimately wound up in Ann Arbor. He is kind of a unique guy. I actually played cards with him a long time ago when he was on the Bears.

Maybe, but its totally unprecedented. Not to mention recruiting and compliance is the WORST. Michigan also has an ol boys club that Harbaugh doesnt get along with at all. Recruiting today is a full time job and a head coach babysits his staff and players much more than in the NFL.

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 05:29 PM)
Maybe, but its totally unprecedented. Not to mention recruiting and compliance is the WORST. Michigan also has an ol boys club that Harbaugh doesnt get along with at all. Recruiting today is a full time job and a head coach babysits his staff and players much more than in the NFL.

Are we talking about the Harbaugh who was already coach at Stanford?

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QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 04:26 PM)
Keep in mind for College jobs:

- They are starting to pay just as much in some cases (see Texas' helicopter drop of money at Saban)

- Your assistants do much of the recruiting

- You have much, much more time off

And you control your roster, getting more talent than other teams, making it easier to win.

 

In the NFL you basically control none of that. You can't just recruit better players.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 05:40 PM)
I realize recruiting is a full time job, but I don't think I've heard a college coach whose jumped to the pros say that the NFL gig was less work than college.

 

At least in the NFL, your "work" is all at home. You don't need to spend the whole offseason traveling. Plus, NFL coaches aren't required to kiss the ass of alumni and boosters the way college coaches do.

 

http://www.lebanondemocrat.com/article/sports/306036

 

NFL teams play eight regular-season games on the road. In a sense, when it comes to recruiting, college coaching is one continuous road trip.

 

“My schedule (at Oregon), the day the season was over was a lot worse than my schedule here” in Philadelphia, Kelly said. “Because, you know, you’re planes, trains and automobiles recruiting from Sunday night until Friday afternoon and hustling back and practicing, getting a practice in Friday afternoon, practice Saturday, practice Sunday, get back on a plane and fly around the country chasing down recruits.

 

“Maybe a misconception is when you’re a college coach and the last game is done and then the bowl game comes, you don’t have a month off. I would argue my schedule was more hectic from a recruiting standpoint than it was here. So I’m looking forward to being in the office every day and watching tape. That is the fun part of our job.

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QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 05:09 PM)
And you control your roster, getting more talent than other teams, making it easier to win.

 

In the NFL you basically control none of that. You can't just recruit better players.

Having it be more competitive to build a decent roster and sustain success isn't exactly a positive trait of the college game.

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QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 10:38 AM)
Disagree based on the program he'd be taking over and the (currently) weak conference it's in.

I think their last two coaches have proven that its fairly difficult. Recruiting is increasingly competitive and it makes it very tough to maintain top tier status in football. It's a year long job with ridiculous rules and procedures to follow. It's not exactly easy.

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 10:53 AM)
I think their last two coaches have proven that its fairly difficult. Recruiting is increasingly competitive and it makes it very tough to maintain top tier status in football. It's a year long job with ridiculous rules and procedures to follow. It's not exactly easy.

My point is that you have more control over the talent. In the NFL, you can't just get better guys than the other teams based on a sales pitch/history of the program etc.

 

You think OSU would be as good as they are if they had to draft prospects and sign free agents and work under a cap? Meyer loves to sit back and have the 5 stars come to him, in the NFL he'd be playing with the same hand as everyone else.

 

I think guys would play for Harbaugh, and Michigan has enough history that they could get right back into good recruiting classes, IMO.

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QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 11:02 AM)
My point is that you have more control over the talent. In the NFL, you can't just get better guys than the other teams based on a sales pitch/history of the program etc.

 

You think OSU would be as good as they are if they had to draft prospects and sign free agents and work under a cap? Meyer loves to sit back and have the 5 stars come to him, in the NFL he'd be playing with the same hand as everyone else.

 

I think guys would play for Harbaugh, and Michigan has enough history that they could get right back into good recruiting classes, IMO.

If you think that is how recruiting works you are off base. The way you get good classes is a combination of working your tail off and support from staff and institution. Check out the budget for recruiting, facilities and staff at schools in the conference and you will see heavy correlation towards who gets the best classes. Teams with coaches are arent good at organizing recruiting fall back into the pack very easily. Teams that just "sit back" become irrelevant very quickly.

 

In the NFL you have an even larger budget to scout and keep players for longer periods of time. You are also dealing with professionals instead of families/handlers/rules bulls***.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 08:38 AM)
Spurrier certainly claimed it was.

Spurrier was notorious for talking about how much more work the NFL was. Of course he had it really good in Florida and has a general reputation for getting in plenty of rounds of golf, etc. In college he can largely recruit based upon his reputation, etc. In the NFL, he said the workload was significantly more.

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