RockRaines Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 6, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) I was speaking from an ND standpoint. ND factuly/staff/alums will not have a high level of interest in this game and I shouldn't have problems getting tickets if you aren't able to get them through Miami. Yeah I'm sure nobody will care, Miami's team sucks really badly. Appreciate the offer I may hit you up on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Hopefully, they fire Beckman sooner rather than later; he's done. A name I've seen thrown around a bit lately has been Justin Fuente at Memphis, and I think he could be a great outside the box type of hire, should we miss out on the Harbaugh sweepstakes. As an added bonus, he'd be a minority hire, which would hopefully stop any more discussion on that front from the BOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 6, 2014 -> 02:03 PM) Beckman says that if Illinois wins out, they will have 9 wins. Good to know! Bailey will compete with O'Toole for the starting job this week, guess that might be one positive thing. His press conference today was nonsense..............blaming newspapers for negative vibe of Illinois football and saying take away 10 plays and game could of been different. He has to go next Monday with a bye week after that. 24 pt dog at Wisky. Edited October 7, 2014 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 6, 2014 -> 08:13 PM) His press conference today was nonsense..............blaming newspapers for negative vibe of Illinois football and saying take away 10 plays and game could of been different. He has to go next Monday with a bye week after that. 24 pt dog at Wisky. He's got a point. Take away 5 to 10 plays from every Bears game and suddenly Jay Cutler is as good as Aaron Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Oct 6, 2014 -> 02:08 PM) That's a negative, now it wastes the red shirt year that he should have used last year. Bailey should have gone somewhere else. He could have switched positions and gone pretty much anywhere. He was great on Bolingbrook. Coaching against him in HS sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I think I'mjumping on the Justin Fuente bandwagon for Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 08:46 AM) I think I'mjumping on the Justin Fuente bandwagon for Illinois. I'm with you. Loved pretty much everything he said in this article on rebuilding. He got his start at ISU, and Memphis when he took over was in worse shape than Illinois is right now. We might have a shot at him if we get on him early enough, before the Floridas and Michigans start hiring away from the middle tier programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Yeah. He needs to win a bit this year to fully prove himself but I'm on board. Hopefully he still has some major ties to Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Is Illinois really that big of a step up from Memphis in football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Yeah. It's a gigantic step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 10:46 AM) Is Illinois really that big of a step up from Memphis in football? Ouch. Green? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 10:46 AM) Is Illinois really that big of a step up from Memphis in football? Beckman makes nearly double the salary Fuente does, and just being in one of the power 5 conferences, which Memphis isn't, is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 10:59 AM) Yeah. It's a gigantic step up. It's a job where he is pretty much set up for failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 11:33 AM) Beckman makes nearly double the salary Fuente does, and just being in one of the power 5 conferences, which Memphis isn't, is huge. That part makes sense. If he is that good, won't a better program want him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 11:38 AM) It's a job where he is pretty much set up for failure. That simply isn't true. Ron Turner and Ron Zook who are both awful football coaches made BCS games at Illinois. A good coach can and almost certainly will win at Illinois. The last 4 Illinois coaches have all just been dreadful football coaches. And I'm not sure if it is still true but not long ago Illinois had more active NFL players than every other school in the Big 10 except Ohio State. Illinois is never going to be Ohio State (well at least not for a really really long time and multiple great hires) but a good coach will win at Illinois. Edited October 7, 2014 by whitesoxfan99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 That part makes sense. If he is that good, won't a better program want him? I don't think that Memphis has enough of a history of winning to have their coach picked up by a program that is in the top half of a major conference. Memphis really isn't in the category of teams like BYU, Boise St., Central Florida, Cincinnati or East Carolina that have been good for several years. A Memphis coach is going to have to succeed at a better mid-major school or a lower tier power conference school before getting a shot at the big time. Illinois is the kind of school that is going to be interested in a Memphis coach, and given the vulnerability of the Big Ten right now, it's a better gig than someplace like Kansas, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest or Colorado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 11:38 AM) That part makes sense. If he is that good, won't a better program want him? This is why you need to get in on him early before the bigger and better programs come knocking or before any of the bigger and better jobs are open. There's no guarantees that he'd be interested, but it can be hard to turn down a $2 million salary. Especially, if you think you can turn around any program since you just turned around a program in worse shape than Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 11:42 AM) That simply isn't true. Ron Turner and Ron Zook who are both awful football coaches made BCS games at Illinois. A good coach can and almost certainly will win at Illinois. The last 4 Illinois coaches have all just been dreadful football coaches. And I'm not sure if it is still true but not long ago Illinois had more active NFL players than every other school in the Big 10 except Ohio State. Illinois is never going to be Ohio State (well at least not for a really really long time and multiple great hires) but a good coach will win at Illinois. What are Ron Turner and Ron Zook doing now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 11:50 AM) I don't think that Memphis has enough of a history of winning to have their coach picked up by a program that is in the top half of a major conference. Memphis really isn't in the category of teams like BYU, Boise St., Central Florida, Cincinnati or East Carolina that have been good for several years. A Memphis coach is going to have to succeed at a better mid-major school or a lower tier power conference school before getting a shot at the big time. Illinois is the kind of school that is going to be interested in a Memphis coach, and given the vulnerability of the Big Ten right now, it's a better gig than someplace like Kansas, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest or Colorado. This is the exact category I see the Illinois job in. It is a clear third tier job in the Big 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 12:55 PM) This is the exact category I see the Illinois job in. It is a clear third tier job in the Big 10. Football is not basketball. A good system guy can win. Illinois football also can retain Illinois talent which they struggle with in basketball. If the administration so choose Illinois would be on par with Wisconsin and MSU. Playing in the BIG gives you an opportunity to play for the national championship annually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 12:54 PM) What are Ron Turner and Ron Zook doing now? Ron Turner is still head coaching in Division 1 and Zook is coaching in the nfl. Not bad considering they were football brain dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 01:08 PM) Ron Turner is still head coaching in Division 1 and Zook is coaching in the nfl. Not bad considering they were football brain dead. He's at Florida International. He took a large step backwards. Zook is an assistant special teams coach, again a large step backwards. Illinois just isn't a destination school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Compared to Memphis? FIU is not much a step backwards. Yes to Illinois they both are. That's what happens when you get fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 01:20 PM) Compared to Memphis? FIU is not much a step backwards. Yes to Illinois they both are. That's what happens when you get fired. That is the whole point. The guys who were most "successful" still washed out and are working at second rate jobs trying to keep a toehold in the industry. That is what a dead end job is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 01:17 PM) He's at Florida International. He took a large step backwards. Zook is an assistant special teams coach, again a large step backwards. Illinois just isn't a destination school. So now we're changing the argument from "Illinois isn't a step up from Memphis" to "Illinois isn't a DESTINATION school" which no one has ever said. Illinois is a clear step up from Memphis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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