StrangeSox Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 09:14 AM) With Jay, for me he has regressed to the absolute worst Jay that we could have possibly imagined. Locking on targets, forgetting that anyone but Marshall is on the field, not protecting the ball, interceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'll say this for Tucker: Yesterday we had an undrafted free agent starting at CB, an undrafted free agent starting at OLB, DJ Williams, a converted terrible first year OLB in McLellin, and a rookie safety. The Jets, whom have a great coach, have a similarly depleted secondary/LB situation and got torched by Kyle Orton. Similar to me in that the Jets have an offense that routinely puts the defense on the back of their heels. I think Tucker has done nothing to show he can develop talent, but that is a crap pie he has worked with, and it doesn't help that he has had tremendous bad luck on injuries as he institutes a new scheme. That said, the defense is bad. Really bad. But they would probably be decent if the offense could get ahead one of these days and they could pin their ears back. But they are always playing from behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 02:45 PM) It doesn't matter. You let whomever comes her cut Jay or just stick him as a backup and you let them know that he is not our QB. If we lost because of our defense fine, but he is part of the problem. Emery and Trestman have made a complete and utter mess. In response to Jake, and I already kind of said this, I'm not sure the Bears will have a tough time filling in that coaching spot. They are fairly attractive in star power. The main disadvantage is totally gonna be money, because it ALWAYS is money. It's why Chip Kelly ain't walkin through that door. But, we aren't the Browns of last year (and even they filled in with a pretty respected assistant). There are only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL. You'll find some takers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 10:05 AM) I'll say this for Tucker: Yesterday we had an undrafted free agent starting at CB, an undrafted free agent starting at OLB, DJ Williams, a converted terrible first year OLB in McLellin, and a rookie safety. The Jets, whom have a great coach, have a similarly depleted secondary/LB situation and got torched by Kyle Orton. Similar to me in that the Jets have an offense that routinely puts the defense on the back of their heels. I think Tucker has done nothing to show he can develop talent, but that is a crap pie he has worked with, and it doesn't help that he has had tremendous bad luck on injuries as he institutes a new scheme. That said, the defense is bad. Really bad. But they would probably be decent if the offense could get ahead one of these days and they could pin their ears back. But they are always playing from behind. My problem is that hey were going to do some things differently on defense. Injuries or not I have not a seen the scheme change. The only difference is the interior d line can tackle people this year. Cutler is going to bring the whole franchise down with him this time although I think some team would take a chance on him if they were desperate for a quarterback. Emery can no longer blame the lack of talent on his predecessor he has had three off seasons to correct it and it has not gotten any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 07:56 AM) I totally get what you're saying, but I do want to stress that benching Cutler and trying a "young QB" is a recipe for 2 years of losing, even if they pull off a high enough draft pick to find their ideal QB this year. It may not show up on the offense but it'll show up somewhere, depth/injuries, weakness on the defensive starters, etc. You're getting a smaller version of that this year based on having Cutler's payroll on the roster AND having $10 million in dead space from finishing Peppers. Teams that lose that large of a fraction of their cap are just doomed. At this point, the way I see it, you either have a young QB and have cap room to spend it on other spots or you don't. In this case, we would have a young QB but not near the cap room because our old QB is still getting paid. The problem I have is, if I don't think Jay is the QB, then I either start finding that QB now or I wait another 2 years while trying to somehow build a team around Jay and therefor don't get started on the QB hunt until 3 years from now (technically after 2 more full seasons). At that point, I could have swung an missed on one QB and be on to my 2nd QB (knowing the Bears it might be the 4th or 5th). I'm a big Jay apologist and one of his bigger fans. I am not saying this is all his fault but the reality is this culture and what has happened here hasn't worked and if it continues, we need to look elsewhere. It is why franchising Jay probably made the most sense this past off-season as in hindsight (20/20) we would be in a far superior position. I still think you can win with Jay as your QB but it is more a kin to being able to win with Orton or Dilfer or other guys than it is to win because of Jay. That means we need to invest in our defense, play good special teams, control the time of possession, etc. If it were me, I'm going all in for Harbaugh. I know people don't like him but the guy has a winning track record and brings a winning personality to the fire and he will not stand losing. I prefer not to have a coach that is a GM but at this point, I'd rather try it if that is what it took for Harbaugh then not. If Jim wants Jay then fine but I let that decision rest in new blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 10:41 AM) At this point, the way I see it, you either have a young QB and have cap room to spend it on other spots or you don't. In this case, we would have a young QB but not near the cap room because our old QB is still getting paid. The problem I have is, if I don't think Jay is the QB, then I either start finding that QB now or I wait another 2 years while trying to somehow build a team around Jay and therefor don't get started on the QB hunt until 3 years from now (technically after 2 more full seasons). At that point, I could have swung an missed on one QB and be on to my 2nd QB (knowing the Bears it might be the 4th or 5th). I'm a big Jay apologist and one of his bigger fans. I am not saying this is all his fault but the reality is this culture and what has happened here hasn't worked and if it continues, we need to look elsewhere. It is why franchising Jay probably made the most sense this past off-season as in hindsight (20/20) we would be in a far superior position. I still think you can win with Jay as your QB but it is more a kin to being able to win with Orton or Dilfer or other guys than it is to win because of Jay. That means we need to invest in our defense, play good special teams, control the time of possession, etc. If it were me, I'm going all in for Harbaugh. I know people don't like him but the guy has a winning track record and brings a winning personality to the fire and he will not stand losing. I prefer not to have a coach that is a GM but at this point, I'd rather try it if that is what it took for Harbaugh then not. If Jim wants Jay then fine but I let that decision rest in new blood. Not going to happen. Jim Harbaugh will want full control and Emery isn't going to give that up. Also, I'd be shocked if Harbaugh's wife agreed to move back to the midwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 09:18 AM) Not going to happen. Jim Harbaugh will want full control and Emery isn't going to give that up. Also, I'd be shocked if Harbaugh's wife agreed to move back to the midwest. And as I said, that sounds like a problem for Emery. If that is the case, see you later and hand the full reigns to Harbaugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 For those wanting to defend Tucker, This is from Biggs trib article, 10 thoughts, which is usually one of my favorite reads. I really like Herring and I said all off-season that our LB corps were total stinkers and was a huge position of need. I'd say it is the weakest position on the entire roster. Herring would seem to agree. I bolded one part for added emphasis. With a LB corps as bad as ours, its hard to be able to cover the middle of the field, which is where it would appear, we are routinely torched. On Friday, I asked Herring an innocuous question. I wanted to know if Sharpton had done enough in the previous two weeks to challenge for a starting position? It touched a nerve for Herring. “The bottom line is we’re going to utilize him to help this football team,” Herring replied. “Right now he’s starting in nickel and D.J. (Williams) is starting in base. Neither of them are any good if they have to handle every snap. I’ll leave it at that. Just let me handle my job and then we’ll deal with it as goes. As far as starting, he is starting. He’s starting in nickel and D.J. is starting in base. It’s the same way we played (Jon) Bostic at nickel mike and started him. The bottom line is I don’t see … all of those guys have a purpose to help the football team. I’m just trying to cut to the cheese with you. At the end of the day, whether you are a starter in nickel or base is irrelevant or whether you are first- or second-team is irrelevant because we have played so many musical chairs right now that the frustration has set in. That is why I am not being short with you. I am just being direct.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Bostic is far and away the best option in the middle at this point. I think he may yet turn into a pretty good player. Has to be healthy though. You don't see many crucial defensive players with constant injury concerns like you do with skill guys on offense, so he needs to get on the field and put this behind him. As for scheme, when you have every Tom, Dick, and Harry you've ever scouted out on the field, you just can't do much. Half the snaps, we don't even have the play caller on the field. Getting Briggs back will be helpful in that regard, but you still have guys that are just jumping into our system. One thing that it will be interesting to see play out is what the FO thinks of everyone irrespective of performance. If the feeling is that Trestman has a special mind for offense/football, they'll be willing to see more s*** go downhill and place blame elsewhere than if they've been uncertain from the get-go. Same for anyone else involved, of course. Just like why we've dealt with so much Jay Cutler BS. We could all see a special QB in there somewhere, so sometimes we chose to disregard current performance in hopes of seeing that good guy come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Our LBs who are fast enough to get back in coverage are too stupid to cover run gaps, our LBs who are smart enough to understand run gaps and play action are too slow to cover anyone. The LBs are absolutely an emery problem, as he has focused on that position in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 09:54 AM) Margin for error is thin but you also can't continue to let your lockeroom be stuck with this loser. This loser has a 98.5 QBR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share Posted October 27, 2014 Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 3m3 minutes ago MRI confirms Bears DE Lamarr Houston tore his ACL yesterday. Unfortunate injury for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 12:27 PM) Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 3m3 minutes ago MRI confirms Bears DE Lamarr Houston tore his ACL yesterday. Unfortunate injury for sure. lol what an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 "unfortunate" is not the descriptor i would use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) That is the Chicago Bears' season with an ! ending. Edited October 27, 2014 by pettie4sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'm ready to switch gears and go with a 3-4. This keeps Bostic on the field for coverage purposes and allows the Bears to pair him with a run stuffing ILB to kinda help cover up his flaws in the run game. Jones might be that guy. SMC is then allowed to play the position that had him highly regarded in the draft...Thinkin Willie Young could be solid standing up, but wouldn't hate to see a young freak drafted to play the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 12:18 PM) This loser has a 98.5 QBR. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 12:33 PM) That is the Chicago Bears' season with an ! ending. Yeah, to this point there can't be a better moment to encapsulate this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share Posted October 27, 2014 John Mullin @CSNMoonMullin 2m2 minutes ago #Bears GM Emery says Houston let out all his frustrations for not having sacks - Houston came in and apologized to team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 12:34 PM) I'm ready to switch gears and go with a 3-4. This keeps Bostic on the field for coverage purposes and allows the Bears to pair him with a run stuffing ILB to kinda help cover up his flaws in the run game. Jones might be that guy. SMC is then allowed to play the position that had him highly regarded in the draft...Thinkin Willie Young could be solid standing up, but wouldn't hate to see a young freak drafted to play the position. Why would we think Shea could even be decent in a 3-4? He has zero pass rushing skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 12:41 PM) Lol. That QBR includes his garbage time TDs when the game is out of reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 10:18 AM) This loser has a 98.5 QBR. We are in the back half of the league in PPG. I am Cutlers biggest fanboy but at some point, fingers need to be pointed his direction as well. I've made plenty of excuses but at some point, if you really are that good, you rise past it and still win. I said many times there are more games left in the season but next weeks GB game is a turning point, off of a bye week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Slauson, Houston done for the year. Sharpton has a hamstring injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 12:18 PM) This loser has a 98.5 QBR. And a 108.6 QBR yesterday. What a great game he played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 12:02 PM) Bostic is far and away the best option in the middle at this point. I think he may yet turn into a pretty good player. Has to be healthy though. You don't see many crucial defensive players with constant injury concerns like you do with skill guys on offense, so he needs to get on the field and put this behind him. As for scheme, when you have every Tom, Dick, and Harry you've ever scouted out on the field, you just can't do much. Half the snaps, we don't even have the play caller on the field. Getting Briggs back will be helpful in that regard, but you still have guys that are just jumping into our system. One thing that it will be interesting to see play out is what the FO thinks of everyone irrespective of performance. If the feeling is that Trestman has a special mind for offense/football, they'll be willing to see more s*** go downhill and place blame elsewhere than if they've been uncertain from the get-go. Same for anyone else involved, of course. Just like why we've dealt with so much Jay Cutler BS. We could all see a special QB in there somewhere, so sometimes we chose to disregard current performance in hopes of seeing that good guy come out. Bostic's best position is as a run and chase WLB. Christian Jones is a SLB. Greene is a backup. The Bears don't have an answer at MLB on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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