cabiness42 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 That's not fair to Manziel. Johnny Football isn't a bad dude. He's immature and a bit of a punk sometimes. He likes to party and do what every 21 year old kid likes to do. Winston on the other hand is a (probable) rapist, stole from a grocery store, shoved a ref on the field, etc. By all accounts, he thinks he's above the law. Manziel hasn't done any of that type of stuff. In answer to Balta's original question: no, I would not want Winston at all. I would find him incredibly hard to root for because of the off-the-field stuff, which is unfortunate because I think he's very good on the field. If I am judging them as people, Winston is far worse than Johnny, but if I'm evaluating them as quarterbacks, they both have character issues that are going to impact their ability to be successful in the NFL at that position. I look at both of them and all I can think of is Ryan Leaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I always hope when you pass on someone like Winston in the draft that you dont end up being a footnote on that players history, like Randy Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 07:03 AM) A quarter to a third of Cutlers good stats came at the end of blowout games That's probably not accurate (just anecdotal), and I could just as easily say that Rodgers put up the bulk of his statistics in blowouts where the defense very likely quit against him. Were Rivers' stats put up at the end of games? Point is, statistically, Cutler measures up with most non-elite qbs. He's paid as elite, but some of that was cap maneuvering. I'm pretty sure his salary goes down pretty drastically the nex two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I always hope when you pass on someone like Winston in the draft that you dont end up being a footnote on that players history, like Randy Moss. Two totally different positions. Much harder for a QB with character issues to succeed than a WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 12:03 PM) Two totally different positions. Much harder for a QB with character issues to succeed than a WR. ORLY???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 12:01 PM) That's probably not accurate (just anecdotal), and I could just as easily say that Rodgers put up the bulk of his statistics in blowouts where the defense very likely quit against him. Were Rivers' stats put up at the end of games? That's something I've always wondered about some of the criticism/downplaying I've heard of the Bears offensive successes last year. I've heard "well if you take out defensive scores they weren't ranked as high..." but it's never clear if they're taking defensive scores out for everyone or just the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 11:41 AM) Thats right. I knew they had two bigtime picks trading down, and Brees was an almost-first rounder Not so funny story from the 2001 draft: Bears had a deal to move up from #8 and take Ladainian Tomlinson. Bears ownership didn't want to pay the high contract cost. Then they were settled on taking Deuce McAllister at #8. David Terrell fell to them and after doing no background work on Terrell, they drafted him instead. Later, Bears had opportunity to move back into round 1 and take McAllister. Ownership didn't want to pay two 1st round picks and the deal never happened. Bears ended up with David Terrell and Anthony Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 10:11 AM) I'll Play: Car over Ari Pit over Bal Cin over Indy Dal over Det NE over Cin Pit over Den Sea over Car GB over Dal NE over Den Sea over GB Sea over NE Now that would be shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Now that would be shocking. It's the American Idol version of the playoffs. The judges can save one loser each round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 12:01 PM) I always hope when you pass on someone like Winston in the draft that you dont end up being a footnote on that players history, like Randy Moss. Guys like Cam Newton come far and between but your point remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 01:09 PM) Guys like Cam Newton come far and between but your point remains. Was Cam ever really suspected of being a bad person or just violating stupid NCAA rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 02:32 PM) Was Cam ever really suspected of being a bad person or just violating stupid NCAA rules? He did steal a laptop, which is why he got kicked out of Florida. But after that, he never had any run-ins with the law that I'm aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I think a DeCosta (Ravens GM) and Kubiak (Ravens OC) would be best case scenario for the Bears GM & HC job. I have always been a fan of the Ravens drafts, hence why they are consistently good. And Kubiak brings HC experience who is dedicated to the run, runs 2 TE sets and a lot of play action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 01:42 PM) I think a DeCosta (Ravens GM) and Kubiak (Ravens OC) would be best case scenario for the Bears GM & HC job. I have always been a fan of the Ravens drafts, hence why they are consistently good. And Kubiak brings HC experience who is dedicated to the run, runs 2 TE sets and a lot of play action. Agreed. One of the things I've always admired about the Lakers (even though they are screwed now), for the best example, or maybe also Yankees, is how they totally behave with the attitude of "if you are the best in the league, you are going to be a Laker". And things just kind of fall in line. There is no reason a flagship franchise like the Bears should not have that attitude, except they've been a bumbling, poorly performing franchise for 25 years and 25 years before that. But they have the resources to say to DeCosta "we will give you whatever amount you want, and the power to create the franchise in your image with 100% support. Go". If he turns down, fine, but why not go after that? He's clearly the creme de la creme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I forgot that coach/GM searches are kind of boring because there's really not that many rumors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 02:18 PM) Agreed. One of the things I've always admired about the Lakers (even though they are screwed now), for the best example, or maybe also Yankees, is how they totally behave with the attitude of "if you are the best in the league, you are going to be a Laker". And things just kind of fall in line. There is no reason a flagship franchise like the Bears should not have that attitude, except they've been a bumbling, poorly performing franchise for 25 years and 25 years before that. But they have the resources to say to DeCosta "we will give you whatever amount you want, and the power to create the franchise in your image with 100% support. Go". If he turns down, fine, but why not go after that? He's clearly the creme de la creme. I definitely agree. With a guy like DeCosta, you can't just offer him the GM job imo. He has done such a great job with the Ravens that I think you would have to offer him a presidency role along with high money to sway him out of Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Doug Marrone opted out of his contract. LOL what I don't even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 09:19 PM) I forgot that coach/GM searches are kind of boring because there's really not that many rumors. according to this rumor page, the Bears asked permission to talk to a number of people in a search for their new GM. http://www.profootballrumors.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 So...Marrone interviewing with Bears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 1, 2015 -> 05:57 PM) So...Marrone interviewing with Bears Good sign but you pretty much have to. My guess is he will take the Jets if offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 1, 2015 -> 05:06 PM) Good sign but you pretty much have to. My guess is he will take the Jets if offered. My only thought is he must have known major interest from a party before leaving. Maybe not, but it's interesting. Edit: nvm, didn't realize jets were lined up. Edited January 1, 2015 by bmags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) on an wish list kinda of post, who in your opinion would be a good fix for the coach for the Bears. barring the GM search that is. Edited January 1, 2015 by LDF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Have fun with punting on 4th and 1 from the opponent's 39! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 So, yesterday we heard DeCosta declined Jets interview. I'm guessing it's a matter of time with the Bears before declined. For as much as I want him, he clearly will be a GM in his mind, and likely if he gets that job he'll be a gm for 10-15 years. There's so much to do on the bears he may only get his dream job for 3-5 years. he probably looks at Reggie McKenzie and thinks he made a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 What's so great about Doug Marrone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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