2014-2015 NFL Football thread

[Jake]

How do they account for mistakes and bad play? For example, if a team is generally a bad running team and the defense "plays well" against the run, do defenders still get a lot of positive credit for their performance?

 

Generally speaking, yes. It isn't like WAR, which tries to give you a value that allows you to compare players across contexts. PFF is outcome-oriented. For instance, in their write-up about yesterday's game, they mentioned that Michael Ola went from worst game of his season to best game of his season/career in part because the GB DL isn't nearly as good

[GGajewski18]

To the poster that said something about Bostic, he has actually been playing some damn good football this season.

 

He has been very effective in the run game, filling his gaps and filling them with authority and driving his offenders back so other players can fill make the play. Pass defense, every young player can improve in, but overall, Bostic has done a good job this season.

[Kyyle23]

To the poster that said something about Bostic, he has actually been playing some damn good football this season.

 

He has been very effective in the run game, filling his gaps and filling them with authority and driving his offenders back so other players can fill make the play. Pass defense, every young player can improve in, but overall, Bostic has done a good job this season.

 

He has been good this season, but none of the LBs were good yesterday. The entire defense was bad, which was why i just laugh that any of them could have graded out positively.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Now I know why the Raiders let Houston walk. Nice player, but not worth anything close to the money he got.

 

 

They didn't let Houston walk. They offered him more money than the Bears did. He decided to leave. Same thing happened with their LT that went to Arizona.

[Chisoxfn]

Kyle, Trestman clearly stated that Marshall ran the wrong route on the pick. I don't know if Trestman was sending a message or what. Cutler played more of the, miscommunication, general comment on both him and B, but Trestman was pretty evident and he rarely is. That said, B and Jay tend to mix things up from time to time and I wonder how much of this has to do with B missing practice, etc.

[Kyyle23]

Kyle, Trestman clearly stated that Marshall ran the wrong route on the pick. I don't know if Trestman was sending a message or what. Cutler played more of the, miscommunication, general comment on both him and B, but Trestman was pretty evident and he rarely is. That said, B and Jay tend to mix things up from time to time and I wonder how much of this has to do with B missing practice, etc.

 

Yea I saw his comments this morning. When it happened, i was pretty bent out of shape because that was the game.

 

 

I really am wondering how Marshall responds to being called out by Trestman, its been a pretty crazy season for Marshall emotionally.

[Chisoxfn]

Yeha. Even when I looked back at the first pick, I will tip the cap to Packers DB who did a nice job on Morgan, although 100 times out of 100 Jay needs to not make that throw, although I know you usually throw the slant off a presnap read and they liked what they saw (and typically with a slant you have little time to adjust, it is a pretty immediate throw I believe based upon how the defense is playing). The other pick though, total bummer, cause if he does run the right route, you are looking at another potential big play. Still, wouldn't have mattered with way D played. Fact that we ran the ball is huge and should open up some things going forward.

 

We still make a lot of little mistakes that we can't overcome, especially given our defense and special teams. Against above average offenses, our offense is going to have to be perfect which is pretty difficult. I still think Jay had 3 TD passes in 1st half and to be frank should have had a 4th. Should have thrown the ball a little lower to Alshon and often times Alshon still comes down with the throw he did make. Either way, that was one you really would like back, same for that series where we shotgunned it on the 1 yard line on 1st down and had the penalty (might be same series). That was brutal in general

[Kyyle23]

Yeha. Even when I looked back at the first pick, I will tip the cap to Packers DB who did a nice job on Morgan, although 100 times out of 100 Jay needs to not make that throw, although I know you usually throw the slant off a presnap read and they liked what they saw (and typically with a slant you have little time to adjust, it is a pretty immediate throw I believe based upon how the defense is playing). The other pick though, total bummer, cause if he does run the right route, you are looking at another potential big play. Still, wouldn't have mattered with way D played. Fact that we ran the ball is huge and should open up some things going forward.

 

We still make a lot of little mistakes that we can't overcome, especially given our defense and special teams. Against above average offenses, our offense is going to have to be perfect which is pretty difficult. I still think Jay had 3 TD passes in 1st half and to be frank should have had a 4th. Should have thrown the ball a little lower to Alshon and often times Alshon still comes down with the throw he did make. Either way, that was one you really would like back, same for that series where we shotgunned it on the 1 yard line on 1st down and had the penalty (might be same series). That was brutal in general

 

Interestingly enough, Trestman said that was called a run play and they changed to a pass because they had a defense they felt was better. The DB made a good play to break it up.

 

 

A really disappointing thing about yesterday is the offense really was humming along until Bennett couldnt break the plane.

[Rowand44]

A really disappointing thing about yesterday is the offense really was humming along until Bennett couldnt break the plane.

I really do think he broke it but somehow we had no good camera angle to confirm that.

[StrangeSox]

I really do think he broke it but somehow we had no good camera angle to confirm that.

I don't know why the NFL doesn't have two cameras from an elevated position (10' or so) looking down the goal line for replays. HD cameras are not that expensive.

 

Or that goal line technology FIFA was using in the world cup, not sure how well that worked.

[southsider2k5]

I really do think he broke it but somehow we had no good camera angle to confirm that.

 

There is no doubt the football broke the plane from what you could see of the angle his arm was extended at. It just amazes me that the NFL doesn't have an end zone view camera to keep track of the backline.

[Chisoxfn]

The question comes in to me is did the bobble then adjust where his forward progress truly was? I didn't think it did and it was still hi point but analysts seemed to indicate otherwise, which would make it all a moot point. However, I fully think at one point ball was across plane but clearly it couldn't be overturned. I was very surprised Bennett didn't turn that into a TD given the momentum and everything. I tip my cap to the Packers for making that tackle. Also, with Kyle Long's penalty, would it have been assessed at the kick or would it have ruined the TD anyway? Presume since they reviewed the play anyway that it would have been an after the whistle assesed on the extra point.

[Chisoxfn]

There is no doubt the football broke the plane from what you could see of the angle his arm was extended at. It just amazes me that the NFL doesn't have an end zone view camera to keep track of the backline.

Or tracker technology in the ball.

[chw42]

I really do think he broke it but somehow we had no good camera angle to confirm that.

 

The issue was that he was still bobbling the ball while he tried to reach over the plane, so he never truly established possession. Even if we did have a better angle at it, I don't think we would have gotten that call overturned due to the bobble.

 

You have to give Clinton-Dix a ton of credit on that tackle. It's not easy to hold back a 6'6 tight end from reaching a yard farther.

[chw42]

I don't know why the NFL doesn't have two cameras from an elevated position (10' or so) looking down the goal line for replays. HD cameras are not that expensive.

 

Or that goal line technology FIFA was using in the world cup, not sure how well that worked.

 

When soccer has better technology than you do, you need to step your game up.

[TheTruth05]

The issue was that he was still bobbling the ball while he tried to reach over the plane, so he never truly established possession. Even if we did have a better angle at it, I don't think we would have gotten that call overturned due to the bobble.

 

You have to give Clinton-Dix a ton of credit on that tackle. It's not easy to hold back a 6'6 tight end from reaching a yard farther.

 

As a Bears Fan, it sucks to admit but that's exactly what kept Bennett from scoring, even if he wasn't juggling the ball that tackle was pretty damn good.

 

When soccer has better technology than you do, you need to step your game up.

 

This. FIFA has crazy money but even they already realized they need goal line cameras, NFL needs to hurry up.

[chw42]

Yeha. Even when I looked back at the first pick, I will tip the cap to Packers DB who did a nice job on Morgan, although 100 times out of 100 Jay needs to not make that throw, although I know you usually throw the slant off a presnap read and they liked what they saw (and typically with a slant you have little time to adjust, it is a pretty immediate throw I believe based upon how the defense is playing). The other pick though, total bummer, cause if he does run the right route, you are looking at another potential big play. Still, wouldn't have mattered with way D played. Fact that we ran the ball is huge and should open up some things going forward.

 

We still make a lot of little mistakes that we can't overcome, especially given our defense and special teams. Against above average offenses, our offense is going to have to be perfect which is pretty difficult. I still think Jay had 3 TD passes in 1st half and to be frank should have had a 4th. Should have thrown the ball a little lower to Alshon and often times Alshon still comes down with the throw he did make. Either way, that was one you really would like back, same for that series where we shotgunned it on the 1 yard line on 1st down and had the penalty (might be same series). That was brutal in general

 

I would put a lot of the blame on Jay for that first pick. You know the corner is probably going to jump that route (especially GB's corners, they're all ball-hawks) if he's that close to your receiver on the slant. And this wasn't Alshon or Marshall he's throwing to, it's freaking Josh Morgan, so his margin for error is much smaller.

Edited September 29, 2014 by chw42

[southsider2k5]

dan durkin ‏@djdurkin 47m

 

#Bears Martellus Bennett: "There's two places where inches matter, one of them is on the football field." #Bears

[chw42]

dan durkin ‏@djdurkin 47m

 

#Bears Martellus Bennett: "There's two places where inches matter, one of them is on the football field." #Bears

 

Classic Martellus.

[Rowand44]

dan durkin ‏@djdurkin 47m

 

#Bears Martellus Bennett: "There's two places where inches matter, one of them is on the football field." #Bears

Hahahahahaha

[iamshack]

Wait, where is the other one?

 

[chw42]

Wait, where is the other one?

 

 

Baseball field?

[iamshack]

Baseball field?

Ahhh...

[TheTruth05]

Wait, where is the other one?

 

 

 

subway

[witesoxfan]

Wait, where is the other one?

 

 

uhh, baseball