2014-2015 NFL Football thread

[LittleHurt05]

His mustache has magical powers.

 

Also, just when you think the Lions are turning the corner. They pull a Lions.

 

The Lions have missed 8 field goals this year. Last year only two teams missed more than 8 over the entire season.

[Rowand44]

It was such a bad throw

Lies. Kyle Orton doesn't make bad throws.

[TheTruth05]

Kyle Orton has TWTW

[southsider2k5]

Kyle Orton has TWTW

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[Jenksismyhero]

I don't think Jay is dumb or does dumb things. I think Jay is incredibly confident, to the point of arrogance, and perhaps selfishness, in his abilities. The bad interception that was intended for Holmes was not a "dumb" throw, btw. It was an errant throw, yes, but he was open. Up until that point Jay had been extremely accurate (granted, the emphasis was on short passes yesterday), and that one just got away.

 

How do you just completely ignore the moronic interception to Marshall in triple coverage? That's pee-wee level stupidity and Cutler does it at least once in 14 out of 16 games a year.

 

And how can you say this is a TEAM loss? f*** that. The offense lost that game. Mostly the players, some on the coaches. The defense basically gave you the first 21 points. Turnovers and short fields. The offense, on their own, did a bunch of nothing, all game. The "vaunted" Bears offense that was going to be near the top of the league. LOL, what a f***ing joke that was/is.

 

 

[southsider2k5]

Dave Birkett ‏@davebirkett 36m36 minutes ago

 

Lions might have to restructure another salary to sign a kicker. They've got about $1 million in cap room now.

[Jenksismyhero]

Jared Allen and Lamar Houston have been huge free agent busts.

 

Should have just signed Willie Young and spent the rest of that money on some safeties.

 

Better safeties wouldn't help. This defense (and all defenses really) need a decent pass rush. And the linebackers can't be slow (Briggs) or still learning (Bostic) or just not good (Williams).

[Balta1701]

How do you just completely ignore the moronic interception to Marshall in triple coverage? That's pee-wee level stupidity and Cutler does it at least once in 14 out of 16 games a year.

 

And how can you say this is a TEAM loss? f*** that. The offense lost that game. Mostly the players, some on the coaches. The defense basically gave you the first 21 points. Turnovers and short fields. The offense, on their own, did a bunch of nothing, all game. The "vaunted" Bears offense that was going to be near the top of the league. LOL, what a f***ing joke that was/is.

Well, at the very least Special Teams played a part in that.

[Jenksismyhero]

They certainly can beat any of those teams, and honestly, I feel more comfortable on the road than at home these days (yesterday notwithstanding).

 

Lol, they can beat Green Bay and New England on the road? What are you drinking? Atlanta maybe, because they're Atlanta. The Lions maybe, because their offense is banged up. But 1% chance against the other two. Brady or Rogers would have to get hurt.

[Jenksismyhero]

Well, at the very least Special Teams played a part in that.

 

That's true, a little. But even then, you make some moronic mistakes and you're 10 yards further back than you should be. It's not like they gave up 1-2 return touchdowns. A longer field doesn't help, but it's not as much of a factor as a moronic QB throwing moronic throws. Or the offensive line choking on the biggest drive of the game.

[Jenksismyhero]

And he would have caught it if there wasn't pass interference. The idea of throwing into triple coverage isn't smart, but that INT also shouldn't have happened because there should have been a penalty. For an officiating crew that gave out 25 penalties a game coming into the game, they sure decided to swallow their whistles for something so obvious.

 

LOL. I'm sorry, this is just laughable. I'm glad the refs didn't call it. You don't reward stupidity. That throw was a terrible decision, and completely unnecessary at that stage in the game.

[Jake]

PFF stuff...

 

Bears Best O performers yesterday:

Brandon Marshall (+2 overall, +1 screen blocking)

Alshon Jeffery (+1.4 overall, +1.8 pass)

Martellus Bennett (+1 overall, +1 screen blocking)

 

Worst O:

Matt Slauson (-2.3 overall, -3.3 pass blocking)

Jay Cutler (-2.3 overall, -3.1 pass)

Ka'Deem Carey (-1.3 overall, -0.8 pass block)

 

Best D:

Ego Ferguson (+2.3 overall, +1.2 pass rush)

LaMarr Houston (+1.6 overall, +1.2 run defense)

Willie Young (+0.9 overall, +0.8 run defense)

 

Worst D:

Jared Allen (-1.7 overall, -1.4 run defense)

Kyle Fuller (-1.3 overall, -1.5 pass coverage)

Jon Bostic (-1.2 overall, -0.8 run defense) **32 snaps

 

Shrugging my shoulders on the Fuller one. PI in the end zone cost him obviously, but they only have CAR 4/10 for 60 yards against him. Must have dinged him for stuff that doesn't show on the stat sheet. Jennings had a much worse day it would seem and fared better grade-wise (5/8, 114 yards against)

 

Season nos. for Bears...

 

Top O:

De La Puente (+8.7 overall, +6.8 run block)

Martellus Bennett (+8.1 overall, +4.5 pass)

Bushrod (+5.5 overall, +3.6 run block)

Ola (+3.7 overall, +3.4 pass block)

Kyle Long (+2.1 overall, +3.7 pass block)

 

Others of note: Marshall is +2, but only based on strength of blocking grades. Alshon would be in the top 5 if not for multiple penalties.

 

Worst O:

Jordan Mills (-5.8 overall, -4.1 pass block)

Jay Cutler (-4.5 overall, -7.1 pass)

Santonio Holmes (-2.9 overall, -2.7 pass)

 

Top D:

Jay Ratliff (+5.3 overall, +3.7 run defense)

Willie Young (+2.6 overall, +4.1 run defense)

Kyle Fuller (+2.6 overall, +2.1 pass coverage)

Briggs (+2.0 overall, +3.5 run defense)

LaMarr Houston (+1.5 overall, +1.3 pass rush)

 

Worst D:

DJ Williams (-5.8 overall, -2.6 pass coverage)

Will Sutton (-3.7 overall, -4.2 pass rush)

Chris Conte (-3.2 overall, -1.8 run defense)

Isaiah Frey (-2.8 overall, -3.4 pass coverage)

Jared Allen (-1.6 overall, -3.1 pass rush)

 

 

[StrangeSox]

LOL. I'm sorry, this is just laughable. I'm glad the refs didn't call it. You don't reward stupidity. That throw was a terrible decision, and completely unnecessary at that stage in the game.

Your hatred of Jay Cutler seems to be more important than the Bears being in a better position to win.

[Jenksismyhero]

It was probably Pass Interference but it was a throw into triple coverage. There was zero reason to throw the football in that situation. All things considering, its funny cause results haven't worked out, but from a pure evidence perspective, Jay has been far better this year then years past and it still doesn't seem to matter. He just makes some really poor decisions and inopportune times. Play calling was just pathetic though. I'd have thought John Shoop was calling the game for most of the 2nd half. Just so vanilla and bland and I don't understand why we aren't throwing some deep shots down the field to keep them honest...not to mention we have Alshon on the team.

 

Also, is it me, or does Jay throw a lot of picks/near picks in the direction of Holmes. Dilfer was on today and continues to say this is the best he's seen Jay look and he's totally bought in and doing things right, etc, and to be patient. Jay is so much more poised, etc, and it is pretty evidend to me, but results aren't pretty. Albeit, in a lot of the games, his plays were magnified because other people made some pretty brutal mistakes (see special teams...costly drops..costly penalties...defense giving up a ton of points in 2nd half..Forte fumbles...Marshall fumbles..etc). All that said, he's the QB. Still, season is early but losing the two most winnable games on schedules hurts (Buffalo / Carolina). Carolina is in 1st place in their division though and Lions lost, which was huge.

 

The NFL is just all about paradoy. Key to this season is if team can start doing little things right. If they can, I still think they sneak into playoffs, if not, they are in trouble and we should see some pretty big changes (none of them being Jay or Trestman...barring some unforeseen disaster) and most of them being defense / special teams.

 

Agree with a lot of this. My biggest issue is they have no desire to crush teams. Keep going for touchdowns. Knock them out before the end of the half. Too many conservative play calls. And I think that's partly Trestman simply not trusting Jay. I think that's why we're seeing a lot of screens. They're good at them, for one, but Jay can't f*** it up either.

[Chisoxfn]

That's true, a little. But even then, you make some moronic mistakes and you're 10 yards further back than you should be. It's not like they gave up 1-2 return touchdowns. A longer field doesn't help, but it's not as much of a factor as a moronic QB throwing moronic throws. Or the offensive line choking on the biggest drive of the game.

1 return td and then we had a stupid penalty that negated a long return and pinned us back inside the 10. Oh and a missed field goals. It was still an F on special teams.

[Jenksismyhero]

Your hatred of Jay Cutler seems to be more important than the Bears being in a better position to win.

 

Hey I would have been clapping with everyone else if they had called PI and set the Bears up for another score. But in an argument about whether Jay played well or not, I'm not going to give him a pass because of it. It was a terrible decision, interference call notwithstanding.

[Jenksismyhero]

1 return td and then we had a stupid penalty that negated a long return and pinned us back inside the 10. Oh and a missed field goals. It was still an F on special teams.

 

I thought the return TD fumble was on offense. I was out smoking ribs at that point in the game, and 6 beers in. Either way, call it 25% special teams, 75% offense. As Balta keeps saying, the talent and philosophy of this team is offense, and they are not delivering.

[Chisoxfn]

Agree with a lot of this. My biggest issue is they have no desire to crush teams. Keep going for touchdowns. Knock them out before the end of the half. Too many conservative play calls. And I think that's partly Trestman simply not trusting Jay. I think that's why we're seeing a lot of screens. They're good at them, for one, but Jay can't f*** it up either.

Bennett makes that catch late in 1st half and we might have another TD. Don't know for certain and we could have still ended up having to kick a FG and gotten that or missed. But more time comes off the clock and Panthers would get worse position. That was a huge change in momentum and helped get the Panthers back into the game and feeling good at half. They come out with a great drive and really turn momentum and we had some poor penalties and some real ineffective rushing in 2nd half. Jay was pretty limited in 2nd half. They didn't seem to let him do much at all and his one pick, I still think might have been a penalty but at least it wasn't a boneheaded throw. It sailed on him which will happen to any QB in the league.

 

In general, he's been much better then years past, but offense continues to not do the little things and they have lost a few games on the details and it is unacceptable.

[Jenksismyhero]

Bennett makes that catch late in 1st half and we might have another TD. Don't know for certain and we could have still ended up having to kick a FG and gotten that or missed. But more time comes off the clock and Panthers would get worse position. That was a huge change in momentum and helped get the Panthers back into the game and feeling good at half. They come out with a great drive and really turn momentum and we had some poor penalties and some real ineffective rushing in 2nd half. Jay was pretty limited in 2nd half. They didn't seem to let him do much at all and his one pick, I still think might have been a penalty but at least it wasn't a boneheaded throw. It sailed on him which will happen to any QB in the league.

In general, he's been much better then years past, but offense continues to not do the little things and they have lost a few games on the details and it is unacceptable.

 

People keep arguing this point as if it's a better throwing mechanic, decision making, etc., when in reality he's playing marginally better due to a massive improvement in the talent around him. He's still Cutler. He still makes dumb decisions with the ball at the absolute worst times.

 

 

[iamshack]

Lol, they can beat Green Bay and New England on the road? What are you drinking? Atlanta maybe, because they're Atlanta. The Lions maybe, because their offense is banged up. But 1% chance against the other two. Brady or Rogers would have to get hurt.

I'll give you that Green Bay would be tough, but it has happened. As for New England, have you seen them play this year? They are just as jekyl and hyde as us. We did beat San Francisco in the opening game of their new stadium. I think that is proof enough that we can beat any of the teams we're discussing.

[iamshack]

How do you just completely ignore the moronic interception to Marshall in triple coverage? That's pee-wee level stupidity and Cutler does it at least once in 14 out of 16 games a year.

 

And how can you say this is a TEAM loss? f*** that. The offense lost that game. Mostly the players, some on the coaches. The defense basically gave you the first 21 points. Turnovers and short fields. The offense, on their own, did a bunch of nothing, all game. The "vaunted" Bears offense that was going to be near the top of the league. LOL, what a f***ing joke that was/is.

Jenks, I don't know where the hell you have been for the last 2 + years, but half the throws into Marshall are when he is surrounded by defenders. The only difference between that interception and the scores of balls he catches is that he dropped the ball and a defender snagged it.

 

You guys can't ignore the countless times Jay fits these passes in for big completions and then just complain about the one that gets picked off. That's what this offense is - big, strong receivers that use their body and technique to catch passes in traffic.

 

And yes, the defense created some turnovers, but they also got completely gashed for 2/3 of the game when Carolina had zero of their top 3 running backs and Cam is nowhere near as effective running the ball as he was in years past.

Edited October 6, 2014 by iamshack

[GoSox05]

I'll give you that Green Bay would be tough, but it has happened. As for New England, have you seen them play this year? They are just as jekyl and hyde as us. We did beat San Francisco in the opening game of their new stadium. I think that is proof enough that we can beat any of the teams we're discussing.

 

It actually hasn't happened. Aaron Rodgers has never lost at home to the Bears.

 

I'm not counting last year where he only played one series.

[iamshack]

People keep arguing this point as if it's a better throwing mechanic, decision making, etc., when in reality he's playing marginally better due to a massive improvement in the talent around him. He's still Cutler. He still makes dumb decisions with the ball at the absolute worst times.

Hard to argue that he doesn't have his faults...I was extremely frustrated with him over the course of the last 6 quarters, but you're completely ignoring the good and just focusing on the bad.

[iamshack]

It actually hasn't happened. Aaron Rodgers has never lost at home to the Bears.

 

I'm not counting last year where he only played one series.

Well I never said anything about beating just Aaron Rodgers. I'm talking about the Bears beating the Packers in Green Bay, and that certainly has happened.

[2nd_city_saint787]

Another thing that isn't being talked about....On that drive where Gould missed a FG, had MartyB done his job and blocked the guy chasing Forte on that 56 yard play then that's probably a TD. That really ended up being a 14 point swing.

Edited October 6, 2014 by scs787