2014-2015 NFL Football thread

[Jenksismyhero]

Now it just seems like he looks at his first read, if it's not there, he goes straight to Forte, that's why he's leading the league in receptions. What's the point of having Marshall, Jeffery, and Bennett then?

 

If I were Trestman and the QB coach I would tell Cutler if you see any of those guys in a one on one match-up, throw the ball to them anyway. Just make it high. They're going to win the majority of those one on one battles given their size. They'll properly defend the rest of the time. Let's call it a 5% chance there's an interception. I'm ok with those interceptions. At least the ball is getting downfield to our play makers. None of this dink and dunk crap.

[southsider2k5]

Bigger meltdown... 2013 White Sox or 2014 Bears. Discuss.

[Chisoxfn]

I would personally run you out of town if you did this as hypothetical GM. This is insanity right here. Get rid of one of the best WR's in the league to prove a point to the QB?

 

Get rid of Marshall and Jay will favor Jeffrey. Get rid of Jeffrey and he'll favor someone else. The problem isn't the WR's, it's the QB refusing (or unable) to make a proper secondary read.

Marshall hasn't played like one of the best wideouts. At some point, you have to make changes. Harder to get rid of the QB then the wideout but the wideout has made his image around the league more important then spending extra time with the team during the season. He should have ditched his Tuesday appearances once we started losing and when he was dealing with his injuries. I like B and I like the fact that he's cleaned his image up but bottom line, we need to make wholesale changes.

[Chisoxfn]

Bigger meltdown... 2013 White Sox or 2014 Bears. Discuss.

No discussion. 2013 Sox were bad. No one expected them to win a series or be real contenders. The Bears had expectations and were paper contenders.

[Soxbadger]

The bigger meltdown is the Bears offense. Its just hard to believe they arent scoring more points.

[iamshack]

No discussion. 2013 Sox were bad. No one expected them to win a series or be real contenders. The Bears had expectations and were paper contenders.

I don't think they were bad, I think expectations had been lowered. There was a lot of talent on that team.

[Jenksismyhero]

Marshall hasn't played like one of the best wideouts. At some point, you have to make changes. Harder to get rid of the QB then the wideout but the wideout has made his image around the league more important then spending extra time with the team during the season. He should have ditched his Tuesday appearances once we started losing and when he was dealing with his injuries. I like B and I like the fact that he's cleaned his image up but bottom line, we need to make wholesale changes.

 

Made his image more important? Because he called some guys out? Because he does a show in New York on his off days? Jay does a radio show, is that a bad thing (btw, did he show up today?) I don't get why his image all of a sudden changed because he was pissed off at yet another terrible loss. At least he said something. At least he showed some emotion. The coach and the QB of this team look like they give two s***s about losing and being embarrassed every week.

[LittleHurt05]

If I were Trestman and the QB coach I would tell Cutler if you see any of those guys in a one on one match-up, throw the ball to them anyway. Just make it high. They're going to win the majority of those one on one battles given their size. They'll properly defend the rest of the time. Let's call it a 5% chance there's an interception. I'm ok with those interceptions. At least the ball is getting downfield to our play makers. None of this dink and dunk crap.

 

That's what worked last year. McCown became Peyton Manning by throwing it up and letting his receivers make plays, suddenly that's not allowed.

 

 

[Dick Allen]

Made his image more important? Because he called some guys out? Because he does a show in New York on his off days? Jay does a radio show, is that a bad thing (btw, did he show up today?) I don't get why his image all of a sudden changed because he was pissed off at yet another terrible loss. At least he said something. At least he showed some emotion. The coach and the QB of this team look like they give two s***s about losing and being embarrassed every week.

I will say how Marshall went after a couple of the throws late in the blowout is unacceptable. It is unacceptable. It is unacceptable.

 

It seems to me Marshall is about to be the problem he has been everywhere else. Some 8 catch days and a few wins will help, but am I the only one who has the feeling he is about to snap?

 

It is probably a horrific comparison, but to me he is like an addict ready to relapse, not that he is an addict. For some reason, I feel I can see trouble coming.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Dick Allen

[Dick Allen]

That's what worked last year. McCown became Peyton Manning by throwing it up and letting his receivers make plays, suddenly that's not allowed.

He also didn't turn the ball over as much (1 INT) and the team averaged 100 yards more of offense during his starts than they have the 11 games and 4-7 record since. Even with a couple of stellar performances.

 

 

I think Cutler is far more talented, and there is a good chance had the Bears stuck with McCown, he may have reverted to his old self as well. But it is amazing how far this offense has fallen.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Dick Allen

[iamshack]

I will say how Marshall went after a couple of the throws late in the blowout is unacceptable. It is unacceptable. It is unacceptable.

 

It seems to me Marshall is about to be the problem he has been everywhere else. Some 8 catch days and a few wins will help, but am I the only one who has the feeling he is about to snap?

 

It is probably a horrific comparison, but to me he is like an addict ready to relapse, not that he is an addict. For some reason, I feel I can see trouble coming.

I do as well, but I see that because he senses he has lost Jay. I don't think it's because he isn't getting the ball. If you look at the guy who controls the destiny of your team and he looks like he doesn't give a s***, it tends to impact your own effort and attitude.

[Chisoxfn]

Made his image more important? Because he called some guys out? Because he does a show in New York on his off days? Jay does a radio show, is that a bad thing (btw, did he show up today?) I don't get why his image all of a sudden changed because he was pissed off at yet another terrible loss. At least he said something. At least he showed some emotion. The coach and the QB of this team look like they give two s***s about losing and being embarrassed every week.

Did you see what happened late in the game? I am more concerned about what bad habits Cutler has and if I think that Marshall is a crutch for Jay then I have to get rid of that crutch. If there is any way I can save value and win with Jay that is what I would try to do as a GM because it is much more feasible then having dead cap space go to Jay and I have to invest a draft pick in a QB and hope it pans out.

[Chisoxfn]

He also didn't turn the ball over as much (1 INT) and the team averaged 100 yards more of offense during his starts than they have the 11 games and 4-7 record since. Even with a couple of stellar performances.

 

 

I think Cutler is far more talented, and there is a good chance had the Bears stuck with McCown, he may have reverted to his old self as well. But it is amazing how far this offense has fallen.

I don't buy the we would have been better with McCown argument but in hindsight we would have because that contract doesn't debilitate you going forward (if McCown doesn't pan out) like the Cutler one does.

[Chisoxfn]

As a Bear fan, the best thing that could happen (outside of all phases being solved miraculously and us winning the superbowl) is that the offense turns things around. It has the paper talent and if that were to happen, at least you aren't talking about as much dead cap space and a team that can maybe be fixed. If the offense continues to fail we are talking outright disaster and a full scale rebuild while having some pretty good dead cap space (most notably Cutler).

[bmags]

I just get a feeling like old journeyman QBs like Griese/Palmer/Hasselbeck would just kill it in this offense. It doesn't fit Jay though.

[Chisoxfn]

I just get a feeling like old journeyman QBs like Griese/Palmer/Hasselbeck would just kill it in this offense. It doesn't fit Jay though.

At what point do we start talking about Gary Crowton and the fact that his offense had no staying power. I wouldn't be shocked if part of our problems is that Trestman's offense just isn't complex enough to throw modern day d coordinators off of their game. The NFL continues to evolve and for sustained success you need to evolve with it. Of course i could also point to a lot of different little things that we fail to do and that goes on the players for their lack of delivering on the finer points as well as the coaches.

[Jenksismyhero]

Did you see what happened late in the game? I am more concerned about what bad habits Cutler has and if I think that Marshall is a crutch for Jay then I have to get rid of that crutch. If there is any way I can save value and win with Jay that is what I would try to do as a GM because it is much more feasible then having dead cap space go to Jay and I have to invest a draft pick in a QB and hope it pans out.

 

Honestly no, I didn't, because I was done watching that train wreck by the 3rd quarter. But if he gave up on some throws down 30 pts, well, I don't know that I care. Better than going balls to the wall with emotion and getting yourself injured like some other moron on the team.

[Jenksismyhero]

At what point do we start talking about Gary Crowton and the fact that his offense had no staying power. I wouldn't be shocked if part of our problems is that Trestman's offense just isn't complex enough to throw modern day d coordinators off of their game. The NFL continues to evolve and for sustained success you need to evolve with it. Of course i could also point to a lot of different little things that we fail to do and that goes on the players for their lack of delivering on the finer points as well as the coaches.

 

I don't buy this completely because there have been some FANTASTIC play designs this year that have gone for easy touchdowns. Play calling has been an issue here and there, but execution is far and away the biggest problem. Jay getting rattled and refusing to check other options is part of that. When you hear guys like Gannon and Young saying it's about the QB, not the system, I tend to believe them. They had success with it. Why can't Jay?

[bmags]

I can't believe I just saw Gary Crowton's name.

[StrangeSox]

I don't buy this completely because there have been some FANTASTIC play designs this year that have gone for easy touchdowns. Play calling has been an issue here and there, but execution is far and away the biggest problem. Jay getting rattled and refusing to check other options is part of that. When you hear guys like Gannon and Young saying it's about the QB, not the system, I tend to believe them. They had success with it. Why can't Jay?

I have a problem with what seems to be a large number of 3rd down passing routes that a a yard or two short of the marker.

 

Gannon and Young had success with a system over a decade ago. The NFL changes and what works then doesn't necessarily work now.

[Kyyle23]

I can't believe I just saw Gary Crowton's name.

 

I thought the same thing when you brought up Griese, lol

[iamshack]

I've seen that play to Alshon where he comes one way like he is running the fly sweep and then reverses field or whatever for a quick pass (I think we scored an easy TD versus GB on this play) mimicked by a few other teams, most notably by New Orleans last night against GB again. It did not work last night.

 

Honestly, it just seems like we're playing tecmo bowl and we have 4 plays with maybe 3-4 variations on each and that is all we run.

 

How many plays do we see Alshon start running down the line and then we either hand it to him, hand it to Forte, or fake it and go to Bennett in the seam?

 

And can we please ROLL JAY OUT some more?

 

There definitely seems to be some lack of creativity in the play calling, but it is so difficult to tell because we don't necessarily know what reads Jay is making.

Edited October 27, 2014 by iamshack

[Chisoxfn]

I don't buy this completely because there have been some FANTASTIC play designs this year that have gone for easy touchdowns. Play calling has been an issue here and there, but execution is far and away the biggest problem. Jay getting rattled and refusing to check other options is part of that. When you hear guys like Gannon and Young saying it's about the QB, not the system, I tend to believe them. They had success with it. Why can't Jay?

Are you going to ignore the fact that opposing defenses have talked about the simplicity of our scheme and the fact that we do a very poor job of running multiple plays out of certain lineups. Obviously take it for what it is worth cause it is coming from the opposition but still alarming nonetheless.

[Jenksismyhero]

I have a problem with what seems to be a large number of 3rd down passing routes that a a yard or two short of the marker.

 

Gannon and Young had success with a system over a decade ago. The NFL changes and what works then doesn't necessarily work now.

 

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that's the play design. That's execution. If it's the play design or play call, then I readily admit Trestman's a moron.

 

[Jenksismyhero]

Are you going to ignore the fact that opposing defenses have talked about the simplicity of our scheme and the fact that we do a very poor job of running multiple plays out of certain lineups. Obviously take it for what it is worth cause it is coming from the opposition but still alarming nonetheless.

 

I actually have not heard of complaints that direct. The ones I've heard are directed more at Jay - get him out of his initial read and he's cooked. Or, be patient and he'll eventually make a mistake. I have not heard that our play calling is too simple and easy to beat. And frankly I don't buy it. Trestman's offense has put up big numbers. Franchise record breaking numbers, even later into the year last year when defenses had time to work on it. Perhaps this is a part of the problem, but definitely not ALL of the problem.