2014-2015 NFL Football thread

[Dick Allen]

Upon hearing this news I thought

 

(1) Why the f*** apologize for telling the truth?

 

(2) Why out yourself when no one would have found out.

 

(3) He's looking to get fired and out of Dodge as fast as possible.

I do find fan outrage,and there is some, but not a lot, a little silly. Isn't this what they want, throwing players under the bus? How many times has someone said Lovie lacks the fire and put up with BS. Even Ventura, although non NFL.

 

Maybe he shouldn't be off the record telling a reporter some of this, but if he does get canned, it is a guarantee one of the people who makes the decision to let him go has done the same thing.

 

It's out there now. Hey Jay, your coach thinks you suck. Instead of making a stupid face, and getting the rest of the organization to stick up for your BS, why don't you show him he doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Kyyle23]

Upon hearing this news I thought

 

(1) Why the f*** apologize for telling the truth?

 

(2) Why out yourself when no one would have found out.

 

(3) He's looking to get fired and out of Dodge as fast as possible.

 

Mannelly thinks he was outed, someone saw him talking to Rapaport. Mannelly is acting like it is speculation on his part, but if anyone knows what is going on in that locker room that isnt still wearing a jersey, it is Mannelly

[Chisoxfn]

I do find fan outrage,and there is some, but not a lot, a little silly. Isn't this what they want, throwing players under the bus? How many times has someone said Lovie lacks the fire and put up with BS. Even Ventura, although non NFL.

 

Maybe he shouldn't be off the record telling a reporter some of this, but if he does get canned, it is a guarantee one of the people who makes the decision to let him go has done the same thing.

 

It's out there now. Hey Jay, your coach thinks you suck. Instead of making a stupid face, and getting the rest of the organization to stick up for your BS, why don't you show him he doesn't know what he's talking about.

If you feel that way, tell that QB that, bench the QB, I don't really care. Have a press conference and say we need to get better QB play, better in-play reads, whatever. Yeah, you'll take some heat for it, but at least everyone is on the same page. Doing what he did was downright pathetic. This is the type of stuff that you see in only the most pathetic organizations. Ownership better figure out that this needs to change all the way at the top. It starts with bring in a football CEO who has total control. I hope it ends with Harbaugh as the head coach but right now I just want a legit guy running this organization from the top.

 

Seems Polian isn't interested and I know Holmgren had his issues but I'd be looking at those type of people to see what can be done or try and throw a bunch of money at Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore for a promotion of sorts or other places around the league who have had long-term sustained success. Bottom line...massive changes in the organization are needed. Until than, I think things are so bad it is even hard to evaluate some of the players.

[Chisoxfn]

Kromer is going to come on at 1:20 Chicago time, then Cutler, and then Tresman to talk to the press. Wonder what happens.

[StrangeSox]

Upon hearing this news I thought

 

(1) Why the f*** apologize for telling the truth?

 

(2) Why out yourself when no one would have found out.

 

(3) He's looking to get fired and out of Dodge as fast as possible.

 

That's not exactly a strong way to start off the interviewing process.

[Dick Allen]

Mannelly thinks he was outed, someone saw him talking to Rapaport. Mannelly is acting like it is speculation on his part, but if anyone knows what is going on in that locker room that isnt still wearing a jersey, it is Mannelly

That's pretty funny if you think about it. Who was the person who said the tears were fake to Mannelly, who now happens to be a media member? Wouldn't he need to be cut immediately? Someone outed Kromer. Players as "sauces" is fine. If it is a coach. How dare he. Somehow Cutler is going to come out of this a sympathetic figure, even though he was called out by a Super Bowl QB saying the same thing during the game, and 95% of Bears fans agree that Cutler's contract is beyond stupid. Look at all the anonymous (sp) quotes from players today. If it is such a bad thing, why is it OK for them to do it?

 

It is a mess. If this helps getting everyone to go, then Kromer did us all a favor.

Edited December 12, 2014 by Dick Allen

[LittleHurt05]

That's not exactly a strong way to start off the interviewing process.

 

Given that he has been talked about as a potential head coach candidate for future positions around the league, I doubt he'd ruin his name on purpose just to get out of town early.

[Kyyle23]

That's pretty funny if you think about it. Who was the person who said the tears were fake to Mannelly, who now happens to be a media member? Wouldn't he need to be cut immediately? Someone outed Kromer. Players as "sauces" is fine. If it is a coach. How dare he. Somehow Cutler is going to come out of this a sympathetic figure, even though he was called out by a Super Bowl QB saying the same thing during the game, and 95% of Bears fans agree that Cutler's contract is beyond stupid. Look at all the anonymous (sp) quotes from players today. If it is such a bad thing, why is it OK for them to do it?

 

It is a mess. If this helps getting everyone to go, then Kromer did us all a favor.

 

Yup. A couple of zingers by the Saints and Lions and that could cap it off

[Jenksismyhero]

If you feel that way, tell that QB that, bench the QB, I don't really care. Have a press conference and say we need to get better QB play, better in-play reads, whatever. Yeah, you'll take some heat for it, but at least everyone is on the same page. Doing what he did was downright pathetic. This is the type of stuff that you see in only the most pathetic organizations. Ownership better figure out that this needs to change all the way at the top. It starts with bring in a football CEO who has total control. I hope it ends with Harbaugh as the head coach but right now I just want a legit guy running this organization from the top.

 

Seems Polian isn't interested and I know Holmgren had his issues but I'd be looking at those type of people to see what can be done or try and throw a bunch of money at Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore for a promotion of sorts or other places around the league who have had long-term sustained success. Bottom line...massive changes in the organization are needed. Until than, I think things are so bad it is even hard to evaluate some of the players.

 

So you think a coach like Phil Jackson is pathetic? He and several other hall of fame caliber coaches/managers have used the media in this exact way.

 

I honestly don't see a problem with anything that this guy did or said, except for apologizing for it. What did he say that was so awful? What did he say publicly that he hasn't told Jay privately 100 times?

[Jenksismyhero]

That's not exactly a strong way to start off the interviewing process.

 

He'll have no problem finding a job in the league. I'm sure he's already talked about his options.

 

There is literally no reason that he outed himself unless he wants out and has something else lined up already. Even if players saw him talking to a reporter, who cares? Guys talk to reporters all the time.

[Kyyle23]

So you think a coach like Phil Jackson is pathetic? He and several other hall of fame caliber coaches/managers have used the media in this exact way.

 

I honestly don't see a problem with anything that this guy did or said, except for apologizing for it. What did he say that was so awful? What did he say publicly that he hasn't told Jay privately 100 times?

 

Phil puts his name on it. This was anonymous.

[Jenksismyhero]

That's pretty funny if you think about it. Who was the person who said the tears were fake to Mannelly, who now happens to be a media member? Wouldn't he need to be cut immediately? Someone outed Kromer. Players as "sauces" is fine. If it is a coach. How dare he. Somehow Cutler is going to come out of this a sympathetic figure, even though he was called out by a Super Bowl QB saying the same thing during the game, and 95% of Bears fans agree that Cutler's contract is beyond stupid. Look at all the anonymous (sp) quotes from players today. If it is such a bad thing, why is it OK for them to do it?

 

It is a mess. If this helps getting everyone to go, then Kromer did us all a favor.

 

I still can't believe the pass that he's been given this year. s***, the last 6 years. On to the next set of coaches, and when they suck next year of course it's the coaches and the system and not the guy with the f'n ball in his hands the majority of the game.

[StrangeSox]

Jenks I can't tell what do you think of Jay Cutler?

[Jenksismyhero]

Phil puts his name on it. This was anonymous.

 

So the fact that he was anonymous is the problem? I would think that would be more acceptable since he's at least trying to keep it vague. People could have believed it was someone sitting at a desk in Halas Hall with those opinions.

[Jenksismyhero]

Jenks I can't tell what do you think of Jay Cutler?

 

He's my favorite!

 

 

[Kyyle23]

So the fact that he was anonymous is the problem? I would think that would be more acceptable since he's at least trying to keep it vague. People could have believed it was someone sitting at a desk in Halas Hall with those opinions.

 

The fact that he didnt address the player directly until he was outed is absolutely a problem. Phil will talk s*** to your face and to the media.

 

I know you hate Cutler and this is great for your narrative, but it isnt the same.

[StrangeSox]

Yeah, we don't actually know that Kromer has confronted Jay this directly in private previously. If he hadn't, doing it anonymously through the media is pretty crappy.

[Jenksismyhero]

I don't know for sure obviously, but I have a hard time believing that the OC hasn't at some point told Jay to play better, that he's not playing good enough and that he's making mistakes.

 

If he's not having those private conversations, that's a bigger problem than saying something to a reporter.

[Chisoxfn]

So you think a coach like Phil Jackson is pathetic? He and several other hall of fame caliber coaches/managers have used the media in this exact way.

 

I honestly don't see a problem with anything that this guy did or said, except for apologizing for it. What did he say that was so awful? What did he say publicly that he hasn't told Jay privately 100 times?

They openly said it to the media, not as an unnamed source. I don't really care if you decide you are going to use the media to help with your message...as long as you've already given said player the message enough times.

[Chisoxfn]

Yeah, we don't actually know that Kromer has confronted Jay this directly in private previously. If he hadn't, doing it anonymously through the media is pretty crappy.

I wouldn't have had a problem if during a press conference after working significantly with jay and him not getting it, the coaches said we have a lot of problems, including x, y and z. Jay knows it and is working on it but we continue to do blah blah blah. Whatever...fine. But how this was handled was extremely dysfunctional and everyone around the league clearly sees it that way as well.

[Chisoxfn]

I don't know for sure obviously, but I have a hard time believing that the OC hasn't at some point told Jay to play better, that he's not playing good enough and that he's making mistakes.

 

If he's not having those private conversations, that's a bigger problem than saying something to a reporter.

Bench him, blast him on the open mike, whatever. Just don't do it anonymous.

[Kyyle23]

Oh my this Kromer presser is not making things better

[Jenksismyhero]

Why do players have to be protected and coddled so much? They're not doing their job, what's wrong with people talking about it, anonymous or not? How about the players reporting to Manningly anonymously that they think this is all fake and staged? Why not be a man and do it publicly?

 

 

[Chisoxfn]

Never thought that cutler would walk out of this situation looking like a pretty mature guy. All season long he has handled things very professionally from the media standpoint. Results have sucked for the team but he's remained extremely composed with the media and refused to throw anyone under the bus, even though privately, I am sure he is totally over this and fully on board of getting the heck out of Chicago.

[Jenksismyhero]

Never thought that cutler would walk out of this situation looking like a pretty mature guy. All season long he has handled things very professionally from the media standpoint. Results have sucked for the team but he's remained extremely composed with the media and refused to throw anyone under the bus, even though privately, I am sure he is totally over this and fully on board of getting the heck out of Chicago.

 

Except for not showing up on his radio show a few times and answering the critics.

 

Oh, and he's had 6 season to practice the bulls*** press conferences and responses to why he sucks and the team sucks. He's become an expert at it.