Jake Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) Young graded out very well on PFF, especially considering he didn't quite get full-time reps. They didn't like him in 2012 when he was playing less than half time, and they loved him in 2011 where he was one of the best-rated DE in the league despite limited reps. Of more interest... Stop % (how many tackles made for no gain or loss/run plays) among DEs: 1. Houston 2. Young Bear in mind that most of the snaps Young sits out are anticipated run plays, but then again he missed less than 20% of snaps which isn't uncommon for DL Edited March 13, 2014 by Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 01:32 PM) Young graded out very well on PFF, especially considering he didn't quite get full-time reps. They didn't like him in 2012 when he was playing less than half time, and they loved him in 2011 where he was one of the best-rated DE in the league despite limited reps. Of more interest... Stop % (how many tackles made for no gain or loss/run plays) among DEs: 1. Houston 2. Young In the whole league or among FAs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 01:34 PM) In the whole league or among FAs? Entire league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 01:35 PM) Entire league Fantastic. Phil's not messing around in trying to fix that putrid run defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 01:36 PM) Fantastic. Phil's not messing around in trying to fix that putrid run defense. Looks like he's striving for some balance, avoiding guys with iffy track records or one dimensional play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Like Jake says, PFF likes Young a lot. I like that we're not going after guys with sexy sacks numbers, but advanced metrics instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 01:44 PM) Like Jake says, PFF likes Young a lot. I like that we're not going after guys with sexy sacks numbers, but advanced metrics instead. Yup, makes sense coming from a guy who brought up PFF and STATS inc in his opening presser. Might be worth noting that Austen Lane, who played for Mel in Jacksonville, said Mel likes to bring pressure from the LBs. So while these 2 aren't "sexy" pass rushers we could see more pressure coming from the LBs. Couple that with a penetrating 3-tech and the Bears should be fine as far as a pass rush goes. All while being a lot better at stopping the run. Again, really like the direction they're heading...At least on paper anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 01:44 PM) Like Jake says, PFF likes Young a lot. I like that we're not going after guys with sexy sacks numbers, but advanced metrics instead. I think it's tougher to measure based on some of the metrics in football because of how much everything depends on your teammates. Julian Edelman was considered to be one of the best receivers in the league last year, but does anyone believe that, or do they chalk it up to scheme and Tom Brady? The all familiar Chris Williams was considered one of the worst guards in the league last year, but when your QB is Kellen Clemens, do you think teams are dropping 7 back on a regular basis against the Rams? No way. It's possible he's talented enough but with nothing around him, he's going to be giving up more sacks and allowing more guys by. Same thing here...Young is working along side Suh, Fairley, and Ansah. He may be a nice player, but I'm guessing those numbers are flawed a little bit because of who is playing around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 01:44 PM) Like Jake says, PFF likes Young a lot. I like that we're not going after guys with sexy sacks numbers, but advanced metrics instead. I'm not sold on advanced metrics in the NFL right now. Didn't they rate J'Marcus Webb a little higher than Bushrod in 2012? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 01:54 PM) I think it's tougher to measure based on some of the metrics in football because of how much everything depends on your teammates. Julian Edelman was considered to be one of the best receivers in the league last year, but does anyone believe that, or do they chalk it up to scheme and Tom Brady? The all familiar Chris Williams was considered one of the worst guards in the league last year, but when your QB is Kellen Clemens, do you think teams are dropping 7 back on a regular basis against the Rams? No way. It's possible he's talented enough but with nothing around him, he's going to be giving up more sacks and allowing more guys by. Same thing here...Young is working along side Suh, Fairley, and Ansah. He may be a nice player, but I'm guessing those numbers are flawed a little bit because of who is playing around him. He also rated really well in 2011 in limited reps. He's definitely an up and coming player who has the potential to be a great pass rusher. And yeah, football is always going to be a very team-dependent sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 01:58 PM) He also rated really well in 2011 in limited reps. He's definitely an up and coming player who has the potential to be a great pass rusher. And yeah, football is always going to be a very team-dependent sport. And don't get me wrong, it's a nice, team friendly deal, just that there's always other extraneous information to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 01:55 PM) I'm not sold on advanced metrics in the NFL right now. Didn't they rate J'Marcus Webb a little higher than Bushrod in 2012? Yes, mainly because he objectively gave up less pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 02:13 PM) Yes, mainly because he objectively gave up less pressure But how much of that is because the Saints were a pass first team with 2 pass catching running backs, while the Bears did either with a very good running back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 03:15 PM) But how much of that is because the Saints were a pass first team with 2 pass catching running backs, while the Bears did either with a very good running back? I think a much bigger part of it is that the Bears constantly put Webb on an island on his own whereas the Saints constantly give their guys help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 01:58 PM) He also rated really well in 2011 in limited reps. He's definitely an up and coming player who has the potential to be a great pass rusher. And yeah, football is always going to be a very team-dependent sport. Great pass rusher? He's a nice role player, but if he is your starter, you are probably trying to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 02:48 PM) Great pass rusher? He's a nice role player, but if he is your starter, you are probably trying to replace him. I think there's a bit of "Bears hate" in this comment. He'll be at the very least an above average DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord chas Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 02:58 PM) I think there's a bit of "Bears hate" in this comment. He'll be at the very least an above average DE. Not so sure. He had lots of favorable match-ups with Suh and Fairley creating havoc inside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Well either way, that's a fine contract that we won't need to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 03:10 PM) Well either way, that's a fine contract that we won't need to worry about. Yup, and with "Mega squads" in Denver and Seatlle this year probably won't go the Bears way anyway. Next year though, even if the give Marshall a ~10M a year deal they'll still have 45M to spend(as of now, including the signings this year). So when you start to think about 2015 things look even brighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (scs787 @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 01:58 PM) I think there's a bit of "Bears hate" in this comment. He'll be at the very least an above average DE. I tend to agree with GoSox. I like the Young signing, but the odds of him becoming a high-level starter aren't good. I think he provides good depth. He could be a decent starter. But he's definitely a guy that's just holding down a spot until Emery can find a better DE. Either way, like y'all have said, it's a reasonable deal and with only $3M guaranteed, there's not a whole lot of risk. Edited March 13, 2014 by dasox24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (dasox24 @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 03:26 PM) I tend to agree with GoSox. I like the Young signing, but the odds of him becoming a high-level starter aren't good. I think he provides good depth. He could be a decent starter. But he's definitely a guy that's just holding down a spot until Emery can find a better DE. But he is immediately better than what they HAD, so it is an upgrade. All they needed was 'average' last year and they were in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 03:22 PM) Yup, and with "Mega squads" in Denver and Seatlle this year probably won't go the Bears way anyway. Next year though, even if the give Marshall a ~10M a year deal they'll still have 45M to spend(as of now, including the signings this year). So when you start to think about 2015 things look even brighter. Mega squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 02:58 PM) I think there's a bit of "Bears hate" in this comment. He'll be at the very least an above average DE. Not at all Bears hate. I just think people are getting carried away. He is not going to be a great pass rusher or above average. I do think it's a nice cheap signing for a solid player. I still wouldn't be surprised if the Bears drafted a DE pretty early in the draft, maybe even first round. Someone like Kony Ealy. If I have any hate it's towards on crazy free agency has become. Every time a team signs a player it becomes a huge deal and the player is going to be great. Most free agent signings end up not working out. Player is either past his prime or under preforms. A lot of these players end up only spending one year with a team and then get cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) One thing about it, is I don't think every player on the bears line was as bad as they played last year. I think they played much worse because they did not have enough players to rotate and specialize. Corey Wootton should not start at defensive tackle for the whole game. And he's a good example, I think he will be much more productive going back to a fresh rotating DE. Edited March 13, 2014 by bmags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 13, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) One thing about it, is I don't think every player on the bears line was as bad as they played last year. I think they played much worse because they did not have enough players to rotate and specialize. Corey Wootton should not start at defensive tackle for the whole game. And he's a good example, I think he will be much more productive going back to a fresh rotating DE. Injuries just murdered the defense last year. It is hard to say any one player was responsible for last year. I think with a bit more health out of the big named guys, a lot of the guys who had no business playing every down aren't put in the positions they were put into. That cascaded through the secondary because all of the guys up front were hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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