Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Manning isn't going to leave Denver. He's staying put or retiring. Elway is clearly on the side of Manning and it would appear Fox was more on the side of, we need to better manage Peyton and can't let him do what he once did. I still think fox / Manning get along and there is no reason to think otherwise but he isn't leaving Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Manning isn't going to leave Denver. He's staying put or retiring. Elway is clearly on the side of Manning and it would appear Fox was more on the side of, we need to better manage Peyton and can't let him do what he once did. I still think fox / Manning get along and there is no reason to think otherwise but he isn't leaving Denver. If Peyton is going to go anywhere at his age, he needs to go to a warm weather/indoor team. I'd love to see what he could do in Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 12:17 PM) Yep. Fox was making 5.5M / yr in Denver. He certainly isn't going to take less than that and Garrett just got 6M per year so I would think that deal is the starting point (and Fox has a better track record than JG). Bowles supposedly got 4yr 16M which means 16M guaranteed vs. 30+M guaranteed (so almost double the money). Based upon recent hires, 1st time coaches are between 3.5 - 4 M, however, I was surprised to see Trestman supposedly was making 4.25 (and he made more than Rex Ryan did last year). The one thing going for anyone who wants John Fox now would be the PR nightmare it would be for the Bears should it get out they lost out on Fox because they were being cheap. The other hire would have to be successful pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 10:28 AM) The one thing going for anyone who wants John Fox now would be the PR nightmare it would be for the Bears should it get out they lost out on Fox because they were being cheap. The other hire would have to be successful pretty quickly. I also think the last hire impacts this as well (where they swung for the obscure and missed when you had the proven Andy Reid their and the reigning coach of the year Arians their as well). I'm a huge believer in continuity and I think Fox gives you a coach where you can easily evaluate players and talent. The last year on the Bears, I have no idea what to believe cause I have no idea how much things were impacted by really sub-standard coaching, plus the poor lockeroom, etc. It makes it really difficult for a talent evaluator too. When you have a solid coach, you kind of know, oh these guys stunk or this and that. It isn't to say they will coach everyone perfect and some guys just fit certain schemes better, but at least you don't have to worry about that aspect as much and can really focus on bringing in the talent and than evaluating how it played / developed as the season went on. I largely think we can evaluate our defensive talent (its relatively non existent, although the dt position isn't bad and Fuller shows promise, but nothing at LB and who knows about Vereen at safety). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 12:24 PM) With Manning as the starting QB, it wouldn't be a bad Bears team anymore. I think even if they got Manning, at best they are an average team. Doesn't matter, cause there is about a 0% chance they are getting Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 12:27 PM) If Peyton is going to go anywhere at his age, he needs to go to a warm weather/indoor team. I'd love to see what he could do in Arizona. I don't know the exact parameters of the contract, but they just signed Palmer to a sizable contract extension. The Bears owe Cutler a lot of guaranteed money the next two years too, so that doesn't seem plausible. Frankly, if he were to leave Denver, the only teams that I think would potentially make sense for Peyton would be St. Louis, Buffalo, and maybe Cleveland or Cincinnati. If Stan Kroenke is trying to leverage the Rams into a new stadium or a deal in LA, I don't know that Peyton in a win it all move makes a lot of sense. Cleveland makes some sense, but I also don't know that it's a good enough situation where he'd consider that sort of thing. Mike Brown is notoriously cheap, so while getting rid of Dalton and signing Peyton makes sense on paper, it won't happen. That leaves Buffalo. Even being the homer I am, I'd say there's about a 1% chance of that happening. I'd say it's Denver 65%, retirement 33%, Buffalo 1%, the field 1%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 If Fox does become the next HC of the Bears I would love to know why there was a delay in it happening. Where is the hesitation or the indifference coming from? Was it anything to do with Phillips counting the money involved? Was it Pace rubbing him the wrong way and giving him second thoughts? Very curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) I think even if they got Manning, at best they are an average team. Doesn't matter, cause there is about a 0% chance they are getting Manning. Peyton Manning has made the playoffs in every season he has played since 2002. Were every single one of those rosters that much better than the Bears' roster? Doubt it. I know he's getting old, but he still would make them a playoff team IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 10:51 AM) If Fox does become the next HC of the Bears I would love to know why there was a delay in it happening. Where is the hesitation or the indifference coming from? Was it anything to do with Phillips counting the money involved? Was it Pace rubbing him the wrong way and giving him second thoughts? Very curious. If he becomes the next head coach, I presume it was nothing more than Fox telling Chicago he wanted to make sure he was ready to take on the Chicago job. I doubt anything more than that. If he doesn't, than the real speculation begins. It isn't like our next candidate is going away in the next day or so, since the rest of the teams are likely waiting on Quinn (well at least Atlanta..no one knows for sure with Denver). The key to me is you don't want to piss off Fox by saying eh, we aren't sure. You either are or you aren't with Fox. Understand when it comes to new candidates but Bears have met with everyone (maybe Pace hasn't) but the Bears have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) I'm with you. I understand ptatc' point of view, but I would be worried if the bears WANTED Fox and could not land him. If this is that they don't actually want him and are trying to save face with him, I'd be fine, but that doesn't seem Bears. I agree. I was just proposing a scenario where they might like him but are unsure and saw enough in Quinn where they wanted to wait. Where else is Fox going to go? The only job left is Atlanta and they reportedly want to talk to Quinn as well. Fox isn't going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 11:03 AM) I agree. I was just proposing a scenario where they might like him but are unsure and saw enough in Quinn where they wanted to wait. Where else is Fox going to go? The only job left is Atlanta and they reportedly want to talk to Quinn as well. Fox isn't going anywhere. Fox doesn't need to take a job though either. He isn't like some of these young bucks where the next shot might not come. Fox knows damn well if he sits out the season their will be any number of teams reaching out to him next year. I think Fox is only going to go to a place where he is 100% wanted, etc. and a place where he 100% wants to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 12:10 PM) Fox is going to be more expensive than Quinn. One reason Phillips and George for that matter, IMO shouldn't be asking football questions and interviewing these guys is because of money. Once they get it in their mind Fox will cost x more than Quinn or whoever, the non-football guys start getting involved in football decisions. Accorsi should interview them alone before Pace was around, and then Pace and Accorsi. If that's their guy, then bring the money guys in. I have no idea if this really is a factor now. George did say money wouldn't be an issue. I would just not be surprised if it is. Of course money will be an issue. The Bears are a family owned team. This is their primary source of income. The money people have to be there to protect that interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Source tells me Kyle Shanahan has told multiple people he expects to be Bears offensive coordinator this year & is eager to work w/Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 01:11 PM) DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Source tells me Kyle Shanahan has told multiple people he expects to be Bears offensive coordinator this year & is eager to work w/Cutler. Lets get it rolling then folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 01:11 PM) DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Source tells me Kyle Shanahan has told multiple people he expects to be Bears offensive coordinator this year & is eager to work w/Cutler. Source tells me Kyle Shanahan is high on drugs for being eager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 01:13 PM) Source tells me Kyle Shanahan is high on drugs for being eager Wasn't Shanny the OC in Denver when Cutler was at his best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Lot of rumblings that something will come out sometime today (Per JD Dickerson on ESPN Radio). Sounds like it is mainly semantics but again, nothing is done till it is done. Basically Bears are ready and waiting for a call from Fox or his people saying, alright, lets do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 11:14 AM) Wasn't Shanny the OC in Denver when Cutler was at his best? No. Young Shanny has only been an OC in Houston, Washington, and Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 01:14 PM) Wasn't Shanny the OC in Denver when Cutler was at his best? No, He was in Texas with Kubiak at that time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Shanahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) No. Young Shanny has only been an OC in Houston, Washington, and Cleveland. He did well with that Cleveland team which is saying a whole freaking lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 01:02 PM) If he becomes the next head coach, I presume it was nothing more than Fox telling Chicago he wanted to make sure he was ready to take on the Chicago job. I doubt anything more than that. If he doesn't, than the real speculation begins. It isn't like our next candidate is going away in the next day or so, since the rest of the teams are likely waiting on Quinn (well at least Atlanta..no one knows for sure with Denver). The key to me is you don't want to piss off Fox by saying eh, we aren't sure. You either are or you aren't with Fox. Understand when it comes to new candidates but Bears have met with everyone (maybe Pace hasn't) but the Bears have. If you are afraid of doing this then you have no business running a pro sports franchise. If you are the coach you should hope that they look at everything and are sure they are committed to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) If you are afraid of doing this then you have no business running a pro sports franchise. If you are the coach you should hope that they look at everything and are sure they are committed to you. In the pro business, you can't just sit around and spend months evaluating things either. Their is a sense of urgency here and if you feel good about Fox, you go with Fox. If you didn't like it and have a better feel for Quinn (and the Bears have met with him and Pace has ties to an assistant who worked with Quinn) than you move on from Fox. No big deal, but you don't not hire Fox because you got to meet Quinn? We've met a lot of guys already to the point that we should know whether Fox is the right guy or not. If he's not, fine, so be it, but you don't sit around there and go, nah, Fox didn't impress me and than go back to him a week later, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I bet Bears are extremely careful what they leak ever since that McGinnis incident too. They probably want Fox signing that contract before they announce anything (which is what happened with Pace...first announcement that came out was after he had signed his contract). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 B&B just said "they (the Bears) are already at the point where they are trying to get something (talking about a press conferenced) together". B&B went on to say press conference is either Friday or Tuesday (w/MLK being on Monday). B&B further said Fox is in Denver working on assembling his staff (presumably talking to some of the current Denver assistants). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 B&B really annoy the hell out of me with their random "sources" that they claim to have. I cant remember the last time they actually broke real news via their sources. And their sources usually are claiming things that cant ever be verified as true or not so they have nothing to loose. Like how the Bears ownership feels or what Bulls management is thinking. Stuff they never have to really back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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