Chisoxfn Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 11:14 AM) The balls were not gone, they were used the whole game. The NFL was alerted of the issue which is why the balls were taken after the game. In the normal course of events the balls are taken by the teams after the game. In regard to the officials, during he course of the game it is not something they will check. As teams are hurrying to get plays off, how would you think if there was an unfounded delay for the checking and rechecking of he balls. This is unchartered territory and the reality is the officials are going to put their faith in the teams and ball boys to do the right thing. Teams may want to see how Gase does without Manning. What better way to see than to work with Cutler. Gase or Cutler will be selling cars in two years. They were checked at halftime by the league and determined to be underinflated. Why the hell would they continue to use those balls? That would just be ludicrous and make me question the point of checking the PSI levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 01:16 PM) They were checked at halftime by the league and determined to be underinflated. Why the hell would they continue to use those balls? That would just be ludicrous and make me question the point of checking the PSI levels. If they were allowed to keep using them by the refs then it's pretty clear the NFL just doesn't care, or didn't before it became a headline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) If they were allowed to keep using them by the refs then it's pretty clear the NFL just doesn't care, or didn't before it became a headline. Which again makes it even more pointless and goes back to the point that most all the players don't think it is a big deal. And this, oh the Colts player picked it and noticed it. Lets not act like that is the first time a Colts player would have touched the ball. They pick up lose balls all the damn time. Think of how many times during a Lovie Smith Bear game we'd see the Bears pick up a ball that came loose. I realize Bears did it more than most but every team goes after those 50/50 balls or balls that come out after being tackled. Refs touch the ball a million times. Seems to me that 1, it probably isn't that critical to the rules (other than certain QB's have different preferences...Brady likes it under-inflated apparently where as Rodgers prefers it over-inflated) and/or the NFL just doesn't really care all that much. I still don't buy that the balls were used in the 2nd half. Not after the Colts lodged a complaint. I view this as one of those, you try to get whatever advantage you can and you make the other team call you out on it. If they don't, fine, if they do, than you adjust back to whatever it is. Happens all the time in baseball, etc. Someone trying to steal signs. Pitcher wearing something to distract a batter. Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Is "2 pounds of air" that noticeable? If I'm looking at a tire gauge, is this like seeing 38 register rather than 40? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 11:14 AM) Teams may want to see how Gase does without Manning. What better way to see than to work with Cutler. Gase or Cutler will be selling cars in two years. Jay isn't getting another coach fired, not in Chicago. If Gase makes Jay look good, than it is a major coup. If Cutler plays like he always has, the story will not be negative on Gase, it will be, well that is who Jay is and the Bears will transition to a new QB (not a new coach). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 01:28 PM) Is "2 pounds of air" that noticeable? If I'm looking at a tire gauge, is this like seeing 38 register rather than 40? Yes, but I believe the balls should be between 12.5 & 13.5, so percentage wise it is more significant than 38 vs. 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 To someone that handles a football everyday for the last 15 years of their life, yes, that's a big difference. To an average person? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I wonder if someone really could easily feel the difference between a 10.5 psi ball and a 12.5 psi ball. You don't visually notice your tire's low until it's around 20 psi or so down from 30-35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 01:28 PM) Is "2 pounds of air" that noticeable? If I'm looking at a tire gauge, is this like seeing 38 register rather than 40? You have to consider the container, 2 lbs of air is HUGE in my road bike tires, next to nothing in my jeep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) I wonder if someone really could easily feel the difference between a 10.5 psi ball and a 12.5 psi ball. You don't visually notice your tire's low until it's around 20 psi or so down from 30-35. I imagine it as a ball pumped all the way up to the point where it feels like it can explode compared to a ball that's pumped up but you can tell there's room for a bit more air. I think it's akin to that. Having played with both, the latter is way easier to catch and throw, even if your spirals are a little wobbly at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Good point on bike tires, I'm just wondering what this actually felt like. I think some people think it would have felt 2lbs lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 01:12 PM) I imagine it as a ball pumped all the way up to the point where it feels like it can explode compared to a ball that's pumped up but you can tell there's room for a bit more air. I think it's akin to that. Having played with both, the latter is way easier to catch and throw, even if your spirals are a little wobbly at times. I really don't know...I think that is a personal thing...and it certainly might be affected by weather conditions. Also keep in mind the Pats short passing game and the velocity at which those passes are being thrown from short distances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 03:14 PM) Good point on bike tires, I'm just wondering what this actually felt like. I think some people think it would have felt 2lbs lighter. yeah, it's 2 psi less pressure, not that the ball weighs 2 pounds less. The actual weight difference is probably less than 1/100th of a pound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 01:26 PM) I really don't know...I think that is a personal thing...and it certainly might be affected by weather conditions. Also keep in mind the Pats short passing game and the velocity at which those passes are being thrown from short distances. Yep. Every QB has their own personal preference. Some like the balls overly pumped (i.e., Aaron Rodgers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Dan Pompei @danpompei Some plugged in people believe Charlie Weis has better shot at Bears OC job than Adam Gase. Critical hire; Fox is moving carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 That straight up disappoints me. I hate Weis. I don't care that he ever did well in the NFL. Perhaps his pouty mojo is perfect for Cutler thou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) That straight up disappoints me. I hate Weis. I don't care that he ever did well in the NFL. Perhaps his pouty mojo is perfect for Cutler thou. Weiss is a brilliant offensive mind though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 05:33 PM) Weiss is a brilliant offensive mind though. Brilliant is being very generous. Since his first two years at ND, he really hasn't had any success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 QUOTE (zenryan @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 02:50 PM) Brilliant is being very generous. Since his first two years at ND, he really hasn't had any success. He had a lot of success in his one year at KC. Matt Cassel made the probowl with him and the Chiefs had the #1 rated rushing offense in the league that same season. As a HC, he's crap, but as an OC, he's elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I really do not want Weiss because he is an egomaniac and a prick but right now I have to trust Fox. If he didn't feel that Weiss was the best man for the job he wouldn't hire him. Putting together a staff is one thing I am sure Fox will do well in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Soaking in the good news before any Weis: Donatell is official (per chicagobears.com tweet). What a freaking coup to get Donatell/Fangio. I still can't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Rappaport reporting Gase to Bears on 3 year deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Gase it is! per multiple reports on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Excellent. Fox/Gase/Fangio is pretty awesome. The Broncos firing Fox couldn't have worked out any better for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 This is a fantastic staff. Wonder how much he got and if he gave any assurances on his commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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