clyons Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 06:01 AM) It's not and it doesn't need to be changed. At one time, this may have been equally true for "Sambo," but most agree that time has passed. Anyway, we all know that Indian idiom and imagery are only racist when dancing is involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I accept that Native tribes take exception to the name. Im not going to get filibuster on it, if a culture feels a term is a derogatory term towards them, who am i to say it is or is not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I can't wait until people start clamoring for Notre Dame to change their nickname. That one will be epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 12:22 PM) I can't wait until people start clamoring for Notre Dame to change their nickname. That one will be epic. I just dont think that would ever happen, unless people take offense to the "fightin" part of it, and even then i dont think it would ever happen. It just isnt comparable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 12:51 PM) I just dont think that would ever happen, unless people take offense to the "fightin" part of it, and even then i dont think it would ever happen. It just isnt comparable I just wish people would stop being so damn sensitive to everything though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 01:17 PM) I just wish people would stop being so damn sensitive to everything though. Sometimes I agree. Other times, I see pictures like this: http://deadspin.com/cleveland-indians-fan-...rica-1558499738 and i get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 01:22 PM) I can't wait until people start clamoring for Notre Dame to change their nickname. That one will be epic. I don't think it's very strong, but I have seen some opposition to it citing the "fighting" part of the name as degrading to Irish and painting a picture of them as drunken brawlers. QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 02:17 PM) I just wish people would stop being so damn sensitive to everything though. This times everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Most of us don't know Native Americans, so we don't realize what things do or do not bother them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 09:52 PM) Most of us don't know Native Americans, so we don't realize what things do or do not bother them I'm sensitive towards other peoples beliefs and feelings, but I don't get why it's an issue now when the Redskins name has been around for over 50 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 QUOTE (zenryan @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 07:17 AM) There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. But they make good ovens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 07:00 AM) I'm sensitive towards other peoples beliefs and feelings, but I don't get why it's an issue now when the Redskins name has been around for over 50 years. I could care less either way in the Redskins debate (I think that, while less derogatory, the Indians and Braves are just as bad), but the bolded is a terrible reason to keep a name. There are a lot of things that have stuck around throughout history just because they haven't "offended" someone in the last 50 years (even though they likely did), but that doesn't mean things shouldn't change when times change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 08:00 AM) I'm sensitive towards other peoples beliefs and feelings, but I don't get why it's an issue now when the Redskins name has been around for over 50 years. If there was an MLB team named the Atlanta N*****s, it might well have existed until the 1970's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 08:33 AM) If there was an MLB team named the Atlanta N*****s, it might well have existed until the 1970's. But there wasn't because it's ridiculous, like that analogy. Changing from the Bullets to the Wizards to get away from a violent ideology would've been more suitable. If every school or team changes their Indian mascot names, fine, but why is Washington being singled out? Edited June 4, 2014 by Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 08:36 AM) But there wasn't because it's ridiculous, like that analogy. Changing from the Bullets to the Wizards to get away from a violent ideology would've been more suitable. If every school or team changes their Indian mascot names, fine, but why is Washington being singled out? Because "redskin" is a particularly derogatory term that cannot be construed as deferent or respectful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I think if Washington had any other owner they would have changed their name by now. Snyder is the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 09:36 AM) But there wasn't because it's ridiculous, like that analogy. Changing from the Bullets to the Wizards to get away from a violent ideology would've been more suitable. If every school or team changes their Indian mascot names, fine, but why is Washington being singled out? The only reason its ridiculous is that there are more people in the country who are subject to that slur so it's harder to ignore. It really ought to be that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 08:36 AM) But there wasn't because it's ridiculous, like that analogy. Changing from the Bullets to the Wizards to get away from a violent ideology would've been more suitable. If every school or team changes their Indian mascot names, fine, but why is Washington being singled out? Pretty much all of the HS level teams and a good portion of the college level teams have changed their names, with exceptions being like Florida State because of their relationship with the Seminole tribe. Washington is being singled out because they are resisting and saying nothing is wrong with is because it has been around a long time, which as previously stated is a terrible reason. Plus, Dan Snyder is as subtle as a tack hammer and has handled this situation terribly at every turn. I mean, he basically has used the "I have black friends" defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 There used to be a high school in North Dakota (many, many Germans and Scandinavians) whose mascot was the Wops. I had never heard anyone use that phrase, but it's still an incredibly derogatory name. They are now the Huskies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 There used to be a high school in North Dakota (many, many Germans and Scandinavians) whose mascot was the Wops. I had never heard anyone use that phrase, but it's still an incredibly derogatory name. They are now the Huskies. As a fat person I find that offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 09:15 AM) As a fat person I find that offensive. Time to start a petition. As an irishman, i am starting my own so i can take down Notre Dame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 08:36 AM) But there wasn't because it's ridiculous, like that analogy. Changing from the Bullets to the Wizards to get away from a violent ideology would've been more suitable. If every school or team changes their Indian mascot names, fine, but why is Washington being singled out? Its not like there are teams with Indian based names in Illinois or anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Time to start a petition. As an irishman, i am starting my own so i can take down Notre Dame. The problem is that if you fight to get the name changed, then you by definition are a Fighting Irish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Are there any Illini fans here who think the Redskins name has to go but where pretty upset when they dumped the Chief? That was a controversy, but apparently the Chief offended some. My thing is if the Redskins name really does offend, and it does seem to do just that, just change it. What really is gained by keeping it? The Washington DC NFL team isn't going to be any less popular. I think the only problem is where do you draw the line? People will be offended by everything, especially if they know being offended will get some change. I think Redskins and Chief Wahoo are far enough on the wrong side of that line to go away. They are far more offensive IMO than Illinois' Chief or Marquette calling their teams Warriors. Edited June 4, 2014 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 09:17 AM) The problem is that if you fight to get the name changed, then you by definition are a Fighting Irish. The fighting Sioux got the Fighting Sioux changed, so you may be out of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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