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Hold your horses, hot shot. Bragging rights would totally depend on the price anyway. ESPECIALLY since an unnamed someone would have been fine with 4/$44M. If we get Santana for 2/$16M or something ridiculous like that, that person definitely doesn't get bragging rights.

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QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Feb 7, 2014 -> 02:17 PM)
Hold your horses, hot shot. Bragging rights would totally depend on the price anyway. ESPECIALLY since an unnamed someone would have been fine with 4/$44M. If we get Santana for 2/$16M or something ridiculous like that, that person definitely doesn't get bragging rights.

 

He's certainly running out of suitors with Arroyo going to the D'Backs. Hilarious he was asking for 100 million when free agency began.

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Arroyo to DBacks for 2/23.5 w team option for 3rd year + some type of buyout $ I'm sure + incentive $. Most likely at least 2/25 by the time its all said and done.

 

That would have been a really bad deal for the White Sox, and I personally will eat crow for suggesting (before I realized he is 37, because he has been baseball's most durable pitcher for the last 3-5 years. My bad. Bad deal for the DBacks, who just pushed Archie Bradley out of the rotation.

 

That means Ervin Santana is going to cost a 2nd rd pick AND minimum 2/28 w option for 3rd year (buyout of at least $2 million). So he's at cheapest/shortest 2/30, most likely with incentive $ that means if he is good his salary goes up. Ideally the White Sox would want him at 3 years, to have 1-2 years of him when we are competitive. 3 years/$42 million is the cheapest he is coming, and that's without a buyout or incentives that there are sure to be. I don't see a good deal for the White Sox here, so I officially change my mind to NO on all remaining SP FAs.

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QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Feb 7, 2014 -> 04:29 PM)
Arroyo to DBacks for 2/23.5 w team option for 3rd year + some type of buyout $ I'm sure + incentive $. Most likely at least 2/25 by the time its all said and done.

 

That would have been a really bad deal for the White Sox, and I personally will eat crow for suggesting (before I realized he is 37, because he has been baseball's most durable pitcher for the last 3-5 years. My bad. Bad deal for the DBacks, who just pushed Archie Bradley out of the rotation.

 

That means Ervin Santana is going to cost a 2nd rd pick AND minimum 2/28 w option for 3rd year (buyout of at least $2 million). So he's at cheapest/shortest 2/30, most likely with incentive $ that means if he is good his salary goes up. Ideally the White Sox would want him at 3 years, to have 1-2 years of him when we are competitive. 3 years/$42 million is the cheapest he is coming, and that's without a buyout or incentives that there are sure to be. I don't see a good deal for the White Sox here, so I officially change my mind to NO on all remaining SP FAs.

 

Bradley will pitch at some point this year. McCarthy will get hurt plus there are always moves that can be made

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What about the idea of signing Santana to a one year deal with the idea of trading him at the deadline? He would lose eligibility of being offered the qualifying offer next offseason and we could receive a package of prospects that would be closer to helping than a second round pick. It would also help his value (if he pitches good). Obviously, the only risk is money and possibilty and second round pick.

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QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Feb 11, 2014 -> 09:19 AM)
What about the idea of signing Santana to a one year deal with the idea of trading him at the deadline? He would lose eligibility of being offered the qualifying offer next offseason for a package of prospects that would be closer to helping than a second round pick. It would also help his value (if he pitches good). Obviously, the only risk is money and possibilty and second round pick.

 

When was the last time the White Sox signed a player to a 1 year deal and dealt him at the deadline? The last one I can seriously remember is Kenny Lofton.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 11, 2014 -> 09:47 AM)
When was the last time the White Sox signed a player to a 1 year deal and dealt him at the deadline? The last one I can seriously remember is Kenny Lofton.

 

They've never really been in a position to. They usually are competitive and not in a position to. 07 for example, they were bad but in 08 they were competitive again. I can't remember if we signed anyone in 08 to one year deals, but we were competitive and we didn't really need to rebuild and flip players.

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QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Feb 11, 2014 -> 09:56 AM)
They've never really been in a position to. They usually are competitive and not in a position to. 07 for example, they were bad but in 08 they were competitive again. I can't remember if we signed anyone in 08 to one year deals, but we were competitive and we didn't really need to rebuild and flip players.

 

That's true too. Still, there's no point in risking it. You spend $13 million on Santana (or $10 or anything) and then you hope he comes out and has a good year. If he doesn't, you eat the cost and don't get anything.

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QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Feb 11, 2014 -> 09:19 AM)
What about the idea of signing Santana to a one year deal with the idea of trading him at the deadline? He would lose eligibility of being offered the qualifying offer next offseason and we could receive a package of prospects that would be closer to helping than a second round pick. It would also help his value (if he pitches good). Obviously, the only risk is money and possibilty and second round pick.

 

I think there is zero chance Santana ends up settling for a one year deal after seeing the contract that Arroyo got. Plus is what Santana brings back in a trade really going to be better than the 2nd round pick the Sox have this year plus the $6-$8 million they would have had to pay him for his 4 months service?

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 11, 2014 -> 11:05 AM)
Absolutely true, straight from the GMs mouth.

 

And no matter how many times Hahn says it and no matter how many times poster on here say it, certain people just can't get it through their heads and still expect the Sox to sign one of them.

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