Boopa1219 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Some of the first scouting reports this year's crop of July 2nd prospects are just starting to hit the internet, and the White Sox under Rick Hahn and Marco Paddy expect to be major players during this cycle. Allan Quatermain of BreakingBlue.com (A Toronto Blue Jays blog) has posted some write ups on 10 of the top prospects that this class has to offer. The White Sox expect to have a pool around $5 million to spend this year. http://www.breakingblue.ca/2014/01/29/2014...-agents-part-i/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 11:47 AM) Some of the first scouting reports this year's crop of July 2nd prospects are just starting to hit the internet, and the White Sox under Rick Hahn and Marco Paddy expect to be major players during this cycle. Allan Quatermain of BreakingBlue.com (A Toronto Blue Jays blog) has posted some write ups on 10 of the top prospects that this class has to offer. The White Sox expect to have a pool around $5 million to spend this year. http://www.breakingblue.ca/2014/01/29/2014...-agents-part-i/ Interesting that the top player is expected to be a catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 11:51 AM) Interesting that the top player is expected to be a catcher. Eh, just turned 16. If he sticks at catcher it will be a minor miracle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 11:55 AM) Eh, just turned 16. If he sticks at catcher it will be a minor miracle. We also know the Sox have been actively trying to add talent to the catcher position in our farm system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 11:51 AM) Interesting that the top player is expected to be a catcher. They are listed by position, according to the article, Dermis Garcia (SS-3B) is the top guy and is expected to sign with the Yanks for $3M+. Article also says that Yanks plan on spending $10M+ this summer in free agency. Not sure what the level of penalty is they receive for that, but that seems a bit extreme as they are likely to be allotted around $3M total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 12:11 PM) We also know the Sox have been actively trying to add talent to the catcher position in our farm system. That much is true, and I could see them involved with the guy, but I think you just try and add as much talent as your buck will allow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 12:37 PM) They are listed by position, according to the article, Dermis Garcia (SS-3B) is the top guy and is expected to sign with the Yanks for $3M+. Article also says that Yanks plan on spending $10M+ this summer in free agency. Not sure what the level of penalty is they receive for that, but that seems a bit extreme as they are likely to be allotted around $3M total. Yeah, I would not be surprised one bit if the yanks spent that much or more. ESPN rated their farm 20th and they gave their 2014 1st and 2nd round picks to Atlanta and Boston so they have to replenish somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 06:37 PM) They are listed by position, according to the article, Dermis Garcia (SS-3B) is the top guy and is expected to sign with the Yanks for $3M+. Article also says that Yanks plan on spending $10M+ this summer in free agency. Not sure what the level of penalty is they receive for that, but that seems a bit extreme as they are likely to be allotted around $3M total. I like how I believed the Yanks were serious in staying underneath luxury max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 01:30 PM) I like how I believed the Yanks were serious in staying underneath luxury max. I think they were, until they missed the playoffs, now they just say f*** it and throw money at the problem. They are in for a tough run here with a lot of guys that are underperforming their contracts or will underperform them along the way. The Tanaka signing will be a bad deal for them, because by the time they are able to compete again, he will opt out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The guys I liked in order OF Alexander Paredes C Brandon Benavente P Huascar Ynoa SS/3B Yirver Gilbert Lara P Tomas Alastre 1B/OF Bryan Pena If we can get those top 2 for me, that would be ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 According to BA, here are the penalties for going over your budget this season: • 0-5 percent over pool: 75 percent tax on the pool overage. • 5-10 percent over pool: 75 percent tax on the pool overage. Team won’t be allowed to sign a player for more than $500,000 during the 2014-15 signing period. • 10-15 percent over pool: 100 percent tax on the pool overage. Team won’t be allowed to sign a player for more than $500,000 during the 2014-15 signing period. • 15 percent or more over pool: 100 percent tax on the pool overage. Team won’t be allowed to sign a player for more than $250,000 during the 2014-15 signing period The Sox should have about $3.5M this year to spend while the Yanks should have about $1.6M. From the article sounds like they are going to double that on one player, so it will be interesting to see how MLB reacts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 03:06 PM) According to BA, here are the penalties for going over your budget this season: • 0-5 percent over pool: 75 percent tax on the pool overage. • 5-10 percent over pool: 75 percent tax on the pool overage. Team won’t be allowed to sign a player for more than $500,000 during the 2014-15 signing period. • 10-15 percent over pool: 100 percent tax on the pool overage. Team won’t be allowed to sign a player for more than $500,000 during the 2014-15 signing period. • 15 percent or more over pool: 100 percent tax on the pool overage. Team won’t be allowed to sign a player for more than $250,000 during the 2014-15 signing period The Sox should have about $3.5M this year to spend while the Yanks should have about $1.6M. From the article sounds like they are going to double that on one player, so it will be interesting to see how MLB reacts. MLB built this system so that there was that loophole, with a huge luxury tax and a major limit on what the teams could do the next year. If a team like the Yankees wants to go all-in on several guys this year, they can legally do it but they pay 2x the cost and they effectively sign no one internationally the next year. How would we like it if we sat out an entire year internationally? That doesn't sound too useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 The guys I liked were: Yirver Gilbert Lara Brandon Benavente Miguel Flames Alexander Paredes I am hoping that the Sox go all out on two guys this signing period, which will be a huge boost to the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 So the Cubs can't sign a guy for over $250k this year, and they have like $5 million in cap room? I bet that means them and the Yankees work some deals to sell that space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 02:21 PM) MLB built this system so that there was that loophole, with a huge luxury tax and a major limit on what the teams could do the next year. If a team like the Yankees wants to go all-in on several guys this year, they can legally do it but they pay 2x the cost and they effectively sign no one internationally the next year. How would we like it if we sat out an entire year internationally? That doesn't sound too useful. We sat out most years internationally....j/k I just think it sucks the year that the Sox have a big bonus to spend the Yankees are planning to swoop in and sign everyone they can. If the Yankees can sign one high profile guy this year and next within the system, wouldn't it be better just to sign 4-5 this season and take next year off? Especially if the group this year is better as indicated in the article. The Yankees are planning on spending twice their bonus on a guy that, within the system, only the Sox, Astros, Marlins, and Twins should be able to afford (Cubs broke spending cap last year). Its a loophole, and it violates the spirit of the rule. They dont sit out the next season either, they are restricted to a max deal of $250K per player, which is more than the Sox traditionally spent before the new system was in place. Sign me up for Bryan Pena, the system needs all the LH bats it can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 04:27 PM) Not a bad call. I am sure there are more teams that are looking to do what the Yankees are they just refrain from publicly acknowledging so. I hope the White Sox are of those other teams. That being said a team is only allowed to trade 50% of their bonus pool. I have a question out to Ben Balder to verify if that is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 03:33 PM) The guys I liked were: Yirver Gilbert Lara Brandon Benavente Miguel Flames Alexander Paredes I am hoping that the Sox go all out on two guys this signing period, which will be a huge boost to the system. I'd be ecstatic with Paredes and Benavente. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I want 3B Miguel Flames, because look at that damn name. Flames....yeah, sign him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 04:36 PM) I am sure this is the article the prompted your inquiry but if not here's Badler's article on international money pool trading. http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...ol-space-works/ Balder did confirm that teams who are restricted in signings because of over spending the previous year, DO receive their full bonus poll allotment, and are able to trade those allotments, with the exceptions outlined under the rules (no more than half, no trades for cash, etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 02:15 PM) Yeah, I would not be surprised one bit if the yanks spent that much or more. ESPN rated their farm 20th and they gave their 2014 1st and 2nd round picks to Atlanta and Boston so they have to replenish somehow. Well it should help their cause that they will get two picks in rounds 1b and 2 (Grandy and Cano) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 05:07 PM) I'd be ecstatic with Paredes and Benavente. I love Paredes' swing, with that open stance. Edited February 5, 2014 by Joshua Strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 12:21 PM) MLB built this system so that there was that loophole, with a huge luxury tax and a major limit on what the teams could do the next year. If a team like the Yankees wants to go all-in on several guys this year, they can legally do it but they pay 2x the cost and they effectively sign no one internationally the next year. How would we like it if we sat out an entire year internationally? That doesn't sound too useful. I'd be fine as long as you went crazy every other year. I believe that is what Texas did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 QUOTE (Pale Sox @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 07:51 PM) Well it should help their cause that they will get two picks in rounds 1b and 2 (Grandy and Cano) According to the MLB site, their first pick is #56 in the second round and their next pick is #92. They forfeited their comp round picks by signing Ellsbury and Beltran. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2014/order.jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Feb 5, 2014 -> 02:55 PM) According to the MLB site, their first pick is #56 in the second round and their next pick is #92. They forfeited their comp round picks by signing Ellsbury and Beltran. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2014/order.jsp Well whaddya know... Good looking out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 When are teams eligible to sign these international players? Around draft time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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