greg775 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Our state leaders just passed a law saying businesses can turn down gays for service (restaurants, movie theatres, gas stations, wherever) because of religious objections. If you are a business owner and object to gays for religious reasons you can refuse to serve them. Is this godawful state the only one with such a law? Finally, this state's governor turned down all that free money from the government regarding medicare for some reason that angers me to no end. My question to you is: Is Kansas the worst state in the union? Is Kansas a joke? What do you think of my first paragraph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 11:24 PM) Our state leaders just passed a law saying businesses can turn down gays for service (restaurants, movie theatres, gas stations, wherever) because of religious objections. If you are a business owner and object to gays for religious reasons you can refuse to serve them. Is this godawful state the only one with such a law? Finally, this state's governor turned down all that free money from the government regarding medicare for some reason that angers me to no end. My question to you is: Is Kansas the worst state in the union? Is Kansas a joke? What do you think of my first paragraph? WTF KANSAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 yes it's a joke (the pathetic kind not the funny kind), yes they're a laughingstock, and yes it's officially the worst state in the union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 QUOTE (Reddy @ Feb 14, 2014 -> 07:08 AM) yes it's a joke (the pathetic kind not the funny kind), yes they're a laughingstock, and yes it's officially the worst state in the union. That's what I thought, Reddy. I wonder if I should move out of principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Talked with some of my KU friends, they hate it as well, but they're the blue dot. Federal government can step in somehow, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Talked with some of my KU friends, they hate it as well, but they're the blue dot. Federal government can step in somehow, correct? I could see relgiously-affiliated organizations refusing to HIRE gays based on religious beliefs, but not refusing to serve, and even then only actual religious organizations and not private companies like Hobby Lobby and Chik-Fil-A which try to use religious freedom to skirt laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Unless it is a publicly funded building, businesses have the right to refuse service to anybody. I don't think it's right, but if I walked in there right now and they didn't want to serve me, they shouldn't have to. It really is amazing to me though how unaccepting some people are of the gay community. It literally does not affect you whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 There were a lot of strings attached to the "free" money for expanded medicaid, the most problematic was trying to adjust later to not having the money. Basically you can't roll back the program in three years, so now you are faced with raising state taxes to cover the loss of federal funds. Many states, not just Kansas decided to not go down that path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 14, 2014 -> 09:18 AM) Unless it is a publicly funded building, businesses have the right to refuse service to anybody. I don't think it's right, but if I walked in there right now and they didn't want to serve me, they shouldn't have to. It really is amazing to me though how unaccepting some people are of the gay community. It literally does not affect you whatsoever. Wasn't there a floral business in the Northeast that was fined and punished for refusing to do business with a gay couple looking for wedding floral arrangements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) What I find odd is unless there is a obvious displays of affection here really is no issue here other than to beat your chest and wave your flag to spout out about your beliefs. I find public displays of affection uncomfortable in any situation anyway. Edited February 14, 2014 by Harry Chappas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 14, 2014 -> 09:29 AM) Wasn't there a floral business in the Northeast that was fined and punished for refusing to do business with a gay couple looking for wedding floral arrangements? Washington, unless there was a similar incident: http://www.katu.com/news/local/Florist-sue...-203664121.html It's a dumb law, because they can already refuse to serve them (unless a state law says otherwise), so Kansas is just trying to be proactive about preventing those types of lawsuits. As I said in the Dem thread, it's basically SYG laws - not necessary because of existing self defense laws, but it's trying to prescribe rights instead of having to infer rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 It should be noted, businesses can refuse customers, but that right is not without limits. As I understand it, they cannot exclude customers of a protected group for that reason specifically. Part of the puzzle here is, I am not sure gays are a "protected group" across states or jurisdictions. Someone more knowledgeable can speak to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I hope businesses will put up signs stating who they will not serve So I can decide to not shop there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 14, 2014 -> 09:49 AM) It should be noted, businesses can refuse customers, but that right is not without limits. As I understand it, they cannot exclude customers of a protected group for that reason specifically. Part of the puzzle here is, I am not sure gays are a "protected group" across states or jurisdictions. Someone more knowledgeable can speak to that. The civil rights act contains the public accommodations provision and the landmark case is heart of Atlanta motel. But it's all about explicitly defined protected classes, and sexual orientation isn't one of them federally. Some states do have that protection, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 11:24 PM) Our state leaders just passed a law saying businesses can turn down gays for service (restaurants, movie theatres, gas stations, wherever) because of religious objections. If you are a business owner and object to gays for religious reasons you can refuse to serve them. Is this godawful state the only one with such a law? Finally, this state's governor turned down all that free money from the government regarding medicare for some reason that angers me to no end. My question to you is: Is Kansas the worst state in the union? Is Kansas a joke? What do you think of my first paragraph? First of all it’s only passed the House. The Senate has yet to vote so it’s not a law yet. Secondly, the way it’s worded seems way too broad to me because it includes state employees. DMV, police, fire, hospitals can all refuse service because the person is gay? Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Are gay people going to be required to wear giant rainbow pins so they can be identified for refusal of service? I know many are pretty obvious about it, but many are not. What if you serve somebody but they don't identify themselves as gay until later? Can the business sue them for emotional damages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Kansas senate won't push this bill forward, at least in its current form. http://www.kansas.com/2014/02/16/3293904/k...-likely-to.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I wouldn't say Kansas is the worst state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The nice thing from my perspective is...it's not my local representative introducing insane legislation this year. At least not y et. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Now some kook in the legislature wants to pass a law forbidding the "use" of surrogate mothers in Kansas. WTF is going on here? The water must be full of drugs. Edited February 20, 2014 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Feb 18, 2014 -> 10:13 PM) I wouldn't say Kansas is the worst state Florida. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 19, 2014 -> 10:40 PM) Now some kook in the legislature wants to pass a law forbidding the "use" of surrogate mothers in Kansas. WTF is going on here? The water must be full of drugs. If there ever was an area of law that needs a good looking at, it is the surrogate mother area. When we've reached the point where healthy women are contracting out for this service because they do not want to get fat, stretch marks, don't have the time, etc. We need to look at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I'd imagine it's aimed at stopping gay couples who have a surrogate mother carry a baby for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Congrats, you're not alone, Arizona just passed the same trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 There are more laws on the books regarding puppy mills than for human babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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