Dick Allen Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I have never understood the Jeter hate. He basically is hated, not by what he does, but because of the perception the media likes him too much. Personally, I wish he had his first ballot HOF career with the White Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 11:56 PM) He's involved in the most overrated catch of all time. You know, the one where he caught a pop up, took 27 steps and then stupidly dove into the stands face first and hit a chair. OMG WHAT A PLAY You need to look at it again. While not the greatest play of all time, it is closer to that than the event you described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 09:19 PM) Walkoff single for Jeter...pretty awesome That was something. I don't like him cause of the media sucking his nuts 24/7, but the guy is pure class and a true legend. Pretty much impossible to hate as an ambassador of the game. I do hate that he slept with most of the woman that I can dream of. Edited September 26, 2014 by SoxAce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 02:44 AM) I have never understood the Jeter hate. He basically is hated, not by what he does, but because of the perception the media likes him too much. Personally, I wish he had his first ballot HOF career with the White Sox. I've never hated Jeter cause I don't hate the Yankees like a lot of people do but this week has been rather annoying. That said, we all knew it was coming so oh well. Edited September 26, 2014 by Rowand44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 11:56 PM) He's involved in the most overrated catch of all time. You know, the one where he caught a pop up, took 27 steps and then stupidly dove into the stands face first and hit a chair. OMG WHAT A PLAY The catch Uribe made for the 2nd out in the 9th inning in 05 would be shown on every highlight reel had Jeter made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 02:44 AM) I have never understood the Jeter hate. He basically is hated, not by what he does, but because of the perception the media likes him too much. Personally, I wish he had his first ballot HOF career with the White Sox. Yup. It's ESPN's specialty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 08:18 AM) The catch Uribe made for the 2nd out in the 9th inning in 05 would be shown on every highlight reel had Jeter made it. I agree with this fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 10:19 PM) Damn dude. I don't like Jeter, but you straight up hate him. I think it's pretty cool he got a walk-off hit in his last home game. Is all the media going to be on his dick for the next week eternity? Yes. Do I hate that? Yes. But at the end of the day you have to admit Jeter's been a great player over his career and that's probably one of the best ways you can end a career (at home at least). Fixed. Still, I'll echo that a hall-of-famer hitting a walkoff in his final home game is an awesome story regardless of who it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 One of the polls on ESPN's homepage right now asks "where does Jeter rank among the best baseball players of all time" Options (with current results) Top 5 (12%) Top 10 (20%) Top 15 (12%) Top 25 (28%) Not in Top 25 (28%) Are these people delusional? 72% believe he's a top 25 player all time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 09:09 AM) One of the polls on ESPN's homepage right now asks "where does Jeter rank among the best baseball players of all time" Options (with current results) Top 5 (12%) Top 10 (20%) Top 15 (12%) Top 25 (28%) Not in Top 25 (28%) Are these people delusional? 72% believe he's a top 25 player all time? You could make a weak case for him as a top 25 position player, but I won't try. Anybody who voted top 5 should have their Internet taken away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 09:42 AM) You could make a weak case for him as a top 25 position player, but I won't try. Anybody who voted top 5 should have their Internet taken away. I would say calling him a top 25 position is still absurd. I definitely put him out of the top 100 for all players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 09:09 AM) One of the polls on ESPN's homepage right now asks "where does Jeter rank among the best baseball players of all time" Options (with current results) Top 5 (12%) Top 10 (20%) Top 15 (12%) Top 25 (28%) Not in Top 25 (28%) Are these people delusional? 72% believe he's a top 25 player all time? Well look how horribly one sided that question is stated. That's like posing a question for Konerko asking the same thing. Everyone SHOULD pick Not in Top 25 for Konerko, but by virtue of there being 5 choices, it makes it SEEM to the audience that "top 15" would be the middle ground fair way to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 That call by the Yankees announcer was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 10:19 AM) I would say calling him a top 25 position is still absurd. I definitely put him out of the top 100 for all players. That's why I said "weak" case. He's 46th in fWAR, but a bunch of guys ahead of him played before 1900 so they don't really count. And one was Pete Rose, and he's a jerk. And then, like, he was... clutch. Or something. Okay, you're right. It's absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 5h ELIAS: Only one HOFer ended his career with a walk-off hit in his last home game: Lou Boudreau, in 1952. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Hawk and I love the Yaz last at-bat and say f*** jeter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Only Yankees fans could help make a HoF player into one of the most overrated players in history. In reality, he's a fringy HoF guy who is put over the top into "definite HoF" territory for being an excellent playoff performer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 01:08 PM) Only Yankees fans could help make a HoF player into one of the most overrated players in history. In reality, he's a fringy HoF guy who is put over the top into "definite HoF" territory for being an excellent playoff performer. Yup. If he hadn't played for the Yankees he would be Craig Biggio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 How great of a playoff performer was he actually? Serious question as some great moments tend to overrate these guys that get labeled as "clutch" or whatever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Presented without comment Regular season: .309/.377/.440, 8.6 BB% 14.6 K% Postseason: .308/.374/.465, 9.0 BB% 18.4 K% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 01:38 PM) Presented without comment Regular season: .309/.377/.440, 8.6 BB% 14.6 K% Postseason: .308/.374/.465, 9.0 BB% 18.4 K% Yeesh that's kind of crazy how similar they are. I guess when you're in the post season so damn much your numbers tend to even out, still crazy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 01:39 PM) Yeesh that's kind of crazy how similar they are. I guess when you're in the post season so damn much your numbers tend to even out, still crazy though. It is odd. There's the disclaimer that you're facing better pitching on average in the playoffs, but Jeter is Jeter regardless. Edited September 26, 2014 by shysocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 01:39 PM) Yeesh that's kind of crazy how similar they are. I guess when you're in the post season so damn much your numbers tend to even out, still crazy though. I'm sure his awful regular seasons the past two years weight down his regular season numbers a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I think Jim Kaat said last night he had 10 postseason series where he hit over .400. If Derek Jeter was a White Sox and received the same attention, the haters here would have a different spin on his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) I think Jim Kaat said last night he had 10 postseason series where he hit over .400. He also hit .200 or worse in seven postseason series and .250 or worse in twelve. Guess he forgot to be clutch for those. All we learn from this is that he was in the playoffs a lot, and we know his numbers there came out remarkably similar to his career line. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 26, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) If Derek Jeter was a White Sox and received the same attention, the haters here would have a different spin on his career. Derek Jeter would need to have been about 40% better as a White Sox to receive the same attention. He had a great career and he is a no-doubt, deserving hall-of-famer, but he would not have near the status he does if he weren't a Yankee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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