2014 MLB catch-all thread

[LittleHurt05]

I think Jim Kaat said last night he had 10 postseason series where he hit over .400.

 

If Derek Jeter was a White Sox and received the same attention, the haters here would have a different spin on his career.

 

Well of course, then he'd have 3 career postseason appearances, not 17.

[Dick Allen]

He also hit .200 or worse in seven postseason series and .250 or worse in twelve. Guess he forgot to be clutch for those.

 

All we learn from this is that he was in the playoffs a lot, and we know his numbers there came out remarkably similar to his career line.

 

 

Derek Jeter would need to have been about 40% better as a White Sox to receive the same attention. He had a great career and he is a no-doubt, deserving hall-of-famer, but he would not have near the status he does if he weren't a Yankee.

He is still 6th all time in hits, 10th all time in runs, and last night was the first home game he ever played with the Yankees eliminated from postseason contention. 5 World Series wins, 7 World Series appearances, His peers hold him in very high regard.

 

If he were a guy who was out seeking the attention, I could maybe understand some of the flap, but really he hasn't.

 

I don't watch ESPN much when it's about baseball, but if it bothers people so much Jeter is getting praised, they could always change the channel instead of venting and being even more obnoxious the other way.

[southsider2k5]

He also hit .200 or worse in seven postseason series and .250 or worse in twelve. Guess he forgot to be clutch for those.

 

All we learn from this is that he was in the playoffs a lot, and we know his numbers there came out remarkably similar to his career line.

 

 

Derek Jeter would need to have been about 40% better as a White Sox to receive the same attention. He had a great career and he is a no-doubt, deserving hall-of-famer, but he would not have near the status he does if he weren't a Yankee.

 

That is true, but at the same time that does hold some weight in reality.

 

New York is by far the biggest media market in the US and for baseball. The Yankees are by far the most followed baseball team in the entire world. Do you think Frank Thomas had nearly the demands on his time that Jeter had? The pressure that Jeter had to perform year after year? Many player wilted in that light. Jeter thrived in it. Because he was a Yankee, he also saw the post season and clutch opportunities on a more regular basis than most other players, and while guys like ARod had problems Jeter was still able to put up his "average" numbers, at a time of year when most players aren't able to do that.

 

He is bigger because he was a Yankee, but he also performed on that stage, which IMO helps bolster his standing.

[BlackSox13]

I have never understood the Jeter hate. He basically is hated, not by what he does, but because of the perception the media likes him too much.

 

Personally, I wish he had his first ballot HOF career with the White Sox.

 

 

I think Jim Kaat said last night he had 10 postseason series where he hit over .400.

 

If Derek Jeter was a White Sox and received the same attention, the haters here would have a different spin on his career.

Well said Dick, I could not agree more. Honestly, I always have liked Jeter and did not understand the hate. I realize the media hypes him up a bit, so hate the media and not the player. I just don't get it...

[Chisoxfn]

Only Yankees fans could help make a HoF player into one of the most overrated players in history. In reality, he's a fringy HoF guy who is put over the top into "definite HoF" territory for being an excellent playoff performer.

Fringey HOF guy. Dude has 3400 hits. Get over it people. He is also the only player in MLB history to play in 4 world series and hit at least .350 in each series.

[shysocks]

He is still 6th all time in hits, 10th all time in runs, and last night was the first home game he ever played with the Yankees eliminated from postseason contention. 5 World Series wins, 7 World Series appearances, His peers hold him in very high regard.

 

If he were a guy who was out seeking the attention, I could maybe understand some of the flap, but really he hasn't.

 

I don't watch ESPN much when it's about baseball, but if it bothers people so much Jeter is getting praised, they could always change the channel instead of venting and being even more obnoxious the other way.

I agree, that's what I do, if I'm in the rare position of watching ESPN in the first place. I acknowledge how great he was. A lot of the criticism isn't aimed at Jeter though, he's the collateral damage. I know there are exceptions.

 

Do you think he becomes the legend he is if he makes the playoffs seventeen times for the Braves?

[Dick Allen]

Well said Dick, I could not agree more. Honestly, I always have liked Jeter and did not understand the hate. I realize the media hypes him up a bit, so hate the media and not the player. I just don't get it...

Exactly.

[Chisoxfn]

He is still 6th all time in hits, 10th all time in runs, and last night was the first home game he ever played with the Yankees eliminated from postseason contention. 5 World Series wins, 7 World Series appearances, His peers hold him in very high regard.

 

If he were a guy who was out seeking the attention, I could maybe understand some of the flap, but really he hasn't.

 

I don't watch ESPN much when it's about baseball, but if it bothers people so much Jeter is getting praised, they could always change the channel instead of venting and being even more obnoxious the other way.

Yep...borderline / fringe HOFer if you listen to some of the clowns on this site (LOL). 6th all time in HITS. Dude was one of the best ever and one of the best ever to play his respected position.

[southsider2k5]

I agree, that's what I do, if I'm in the rare position of watching ESPN in the first place. I acknowledge how great he was. A lot of the criticism isn't aimed at Jeter though, he's the collateral damage. I know there are exceptions.

 

Do you think he becomes the legend he is if he makes the playoffs seventeen times for the Braves?

 

Cal Ripken sure managed it outside of NY, and with less post season glory.

[shysocks]

Cal Ripken sure managed it outside of NY, and with less post season glory.

Ripken was a better player than Jeter.

[shysocks]

My whole point is, take Jeter's career and transplant it to some other city. That is a hall-of-famer and a legend when you throw in all the postseason accomplishments.

 

It is not somebody that 12% of the people voting in a dumb poll are calling one of the 5 greatest players ever. That's all I'm saying.

[southsider2k5]

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[Rowand44]

My whole point is, take Jeter's career and transplant it to some other city. That is a hall-of-famer and a legend when you throw in all the postseason accomplishments.

 

It is not somebody that 12% of the people voting in a dumb poll are calling one of the 5 greatest players ever. That's all I'm saying.

And you're absolutely correct. I think this is a fair take.

[Dick Allen]

My whole point is, take Jeter's career and transplant it to some other city. That is a hall-of-famer and a legend when you throw in all the postseason accomplishments.

 

It is not somebody that 12% of the people voting in a dumb poll are calling one of the 5 greatest players ever. That's all I'm saying.

Right, but why take that out on Jeter? Borderline HOFer, took 27 steps after he caught a ball and stupidly dove into the stands...those are a couple of BS examples in this thread.

 

And when you get these types of polls, laugh them off. His fans stuff the ballot box. I'm a Rush fan. Other bands have bigger fanbases, but Rush fans have chips on their shoulders. Anytime there is some sort of Rock poll with Rush involved, they will always finish near the top because their fans will spend all day voting.

Edited September 26, 2014 by Dick Allen

[Chisoxfn]

And you're absolutely correct. I think this is a fair take.

I think if you transplant the 7 world series and 5 championships and all the other post season accomplishments the talk is still pretty high. Chipper always got a lot of credit....just add 4 world series championships and it would be a heck of a lot more, imo. Did Maddux get any less credit because he spent the majority of his career in Atlanta? Fact that Jeter handled the spotlight made things crazier but its hard to put his career elsewhere because not many guys have his post-season accolades.

[Rowand44]

I think if you transplant the 7 world series and 5 championships and all the other post season accomplishments the talk is still pretty high. Chipper always got a lot of credit....just add 4 world series championships and it would be a heck of a lot more, imo. Did Maddux get any less credit because he spent the majority of his career in Atlanta? Fact that Jeter handled the spotlight made things crazier but its hard to put his career elsewhere because not many guys have his post-season accolades.

Chipper and especially Maddux were much better players than Jeter and they get no where near the attention he gets. Once again, I have nothing against Jeter, he's a definite HOF no matter where he played but the media definitely overrates him, there's no doubt about that. Just like the angry mob of internet fans underrate him.

Edited September 26, 2014 by Rowand44

[southsider2k5]

Chipper and especially Maddux were much better players than Jeter and they get no where near the attention he gets. Once again, I have nothing against Jeter, he's a definite HOF no matter where he played but the media definitely overrates him, there's no doubt about that. Just like the angry mob of internet fans underrate him.

 

Maddux also got 97.2% of the vote for the HOF in a year when voters turned in blank ballots in protest. Even if he didn't get the media love, his spot in history in secure.

[IlliniKrush]

You need to look at it again. While not the greatest play of all time, it is closer to that than the event you described.

The guy made a running catch that shortstops make every year (and a better one may have been almost standing under), took million steps and stupidly dove face first into a seat, because TOUGHNESS AND LEADERSHIP.

 

Please.

[BlackSox13]

Come on guys, try not to let your hatred show too much. Jeter was running full speed at the time the ball landed in his glove and clearly didn't have enough room to slow down. I swear its like people are trying to make it sound like Jeter intentionally went into the stands for highlight reel purposes. The reason people hate the play is because the media goes to it every time they bring up Jeters career. Good grief, talk about obvious blind hatred! All in all it was indeed a hell of a catch. Not the best ever seen but still a hell of a catch.

 

 

[Jake]

If he was a White Sox player he wouldn't have received the attention that annoys so many people. He's not better than Frank Thomas, who was greatly unappreciated for much of his career. Big Frank only got attention when he was actually doing something better than everyone else (like winning the MVP on the strength of his bat).

 

I think a secondary thing that annoys people about the Jeter mythos is that he was never a good SS. He played his entire career out of position. There's a decent enough chance that he would have been a far more valuable player as a 2B.

[flavum]

Three 163's possible...

 

Royals win/Tigers lose

 

Mariners win/A's lose

 

Pirates win/Cardinals lose

 

 

[shysocks]

Three 163's possible...

 

Royals win/Tigers lose

 

Mariners win/A's lose

 

Pirates win/Cardinals lose

Make it happen. ANARCHY!

[Dick Allen]

The guy made a running catch that shortstops make every year (and a better one may have been almost standing under), took million steps and stupidly dove face first into a seat, because TOUGHNESS AND LEADERSHIP.

 

Please.

 

 

He was shifted over by second base. If your version is how you saw that play, you should quit umpiring. You must be turrible.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

He could have easily slid during or after that catch to avoid going in to the stands. Not saying he did it on purpose to be flashy, but saying he played it wrong and stupidly, yet it's constantly being shown as one of the greatest SS plays of all time.

[fathom]

Incredible catch to give Zimmermann a no no