ILMOU Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 8, 2014 -> 02:26 PM) Levine, Bernie Pleskoff, and Jon Heyman have all mentioned Mariners interest in Viciedo now. Levine said this morning that Zduriencik was in camp watching Viciedo. What would the Sox even be interested in from them? Tyler Pike, Luiz Gohara and Julio Morban may all be interesting to us to varying degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coco1997 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/whit...medium=facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 When it comes to Bruce Levine trying to break something, I don't listen. Call me when it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (coco1997 @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 11:47 AM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/whit...medium=facebook I don't see any lefty power among their prospects. Guillermo Pimentel is the closest thing and looks very marginal. Davidson plus DV for Seager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 12:52 PM) When it comes to Bruce Levine trying to break something, I don't listen. Call me when it happens. Interest/=something happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 01:32 PM) Interest/=something happening. Right, so Levine can keep making stuff up, like the Sox are interested in Mike Leake and Henry Blanco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 12:48 PM) The Mariners system is so top heavy I can't imagine being excited about receiving prospects from them because we wouldn't be getting Walker/Hultzen/Paxton/Peterson/Pike. Past that it gets ugly for the most part. When the Sox and M's talked Franklin-Viciedo does anyone remember who turned it down? If that trade was revisited and completed, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that the Sox could break camp with Franklin-Alexei-Beckham at 3B-SS-2B and eventually move Alexei or Beckham. Franklin and Semien take over in the middle and Davidson gets 3B. That being said I have a really hard time figuring whether I like Franklin or not. Franklin is gonna be awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (Dunt @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 01:04 PM) Franklin is gonna be awesome If they like Franklin better than Seager, maybe they trade Kyle to move Nick to 3B. (And he can trade positions with Cano a few years down the road) With Miller too, they're loaded with lefty/SH IFs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 If Hahn does anything involving Viciedo, mine as well go all out and get Seager. Otherwise, I'd still like to see De Aza gone rather than Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Reading some of the rumor reports and what might be Mariner expendables is not very exciting. You trade to improve your team and not just to move someone IMO. Viciedo and/or De Aza are certainly on the block, but they have somewhat of a decent track record so trading one of them for some failed Mariner's prospect makes no sense at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 02:17 PM) Reading some of the rumor reports and what might be Mariner expendables is not very exciting. You trade to improve your team and not just to move someone IMO. Viciedo and/or De Aza are certainly on the block, but they have somewhat of a decent track record so trading one of them for some failed Mariner's prospect makes no sense at all I agree. Viciedo can still be part of the rebuilding process. He's young enough and has enormous potential. Twins are mentioned to be interested in De Aza. From them, I would target Trevor May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 02:00 PM) Right, so Levine can keep making stuff up, like the Sox are interested in Mike Leake and Henry Blanco. Except this was reported months before Bruce said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 03:17 PM) Reading some of the rumor reports and what might be Mariner expendables is not very exciting. You trade to improve your team and not just to move someone IMO. Viciedo and/or De Aza are certainly on the block, but they have somewhat of a decent track record so trading one of them for some failed Mariner's prospect makes no sense at all There could be one caveat in here we're not thinking about. If they're considering moving Viciedo for one of the Mariners' expendibles...that would mean they've reached a point of severe unhappiness with Viciedo, either with something building during last season or something that they're really unhappy with about how he came to camp. Otherwise, the only reason to move him would be the M's overpaying by giving up one of the guys people are saying they won't give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 02:17 PM) Reading some of the rumor reports and what might be Mariner expendables is not very exciting. You trade to improve your team and not just to move someone IMO. Viciedo and/or De Aza are certainly on the block, but they have somewhat of a decent track record so trading one of them for some failed Mariner's prospect makes no sense at all If they were just looking to dump one or both, someone would have been gone already.Power is at a premium in today's game. Giving up on Viciedo without getting anything of significance back would be something the Sox aren't going to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 02:20 PM) Except this was reported months before Bruce said it. Point is, Levine is bored. He's been out there for a month and he has nothing left to talk about. So instead of reporting a deal that is legitimate and close to happening, he's leaning on old news and conversations that every team has. Teams are always talking about players. It doesn't mean they're going to happen. That's where Levine sucks--he talks about things that never come true. So could this Viciedo thing happen? Sure, but it would just be Levine hitting his 1 in 100 things he talks about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) If they were just looking to dump one or both, someone would have been gone already.Power is at a premium in today's game. Giving up on Viciedo without getting anything of significance back would be something the Sox aren't going to do. If the Sox were going to the M's it would be different. If the M's are the ones asking around, the Sox aren't dumping him for nothing. If they were willing to do so, he would have been gone months ago. It is going to be a haul, or Viciedo will be on the South Side this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 02:26 PM) Point is, Levine is bored. He's been out there for a month and he has nothing left to talk about. So instead of reporting a deal that is legitimate and close to happening, he's leaning on old news and conversations that every team has. Teams are always talking about players. It doesn't mean they're going to happen. That's where Levine sucks--he talks about things that never come true. So could this Viciedo thing happen? Sure, but it would just be Levine hitting his 1 in 100 things he talks about. Honestly, I doubt any reporter is much better than that, because of how few deals which are talked about, actually happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 01:24 PM) If they were just looking to dump one or both, someone would have been gone already.Power is at a premium in today's game. Giving up on Viciedo without getting anything of significance back would be something the Sox aren't going to do. This, I hope. Seager or Franklin or no deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 do the Twins have any catching depth in the minors we may be interested in? I know Josmil Pinto is one but I was wondering if there were others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 12:48 PM) The Mariners system is so top heavy I can't imagine being excited about receiving prospects from them because we wouldn't be getting Walker/Hultzen/Paxton/Peterson/Pike. Past that it gets ugly for the most part. When the Sox and M's talked Franklin-Viciedo does anyone remember who turned it down? If that trade was revisited and completed, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that the Sox could break camp with Franklin-Alexei-Beckham at 3B-SS-2B and eventually move Alexei or Beckham. Franklin and Semien take over in the middle and Davidson gets 3B. That being said I have a really hard time figuring whether I like Franklin or not. I believe the story was the Mariners offered Ackley for Viciedo, Hahn countered with Franklin for Viciedo, and then talks stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Franklin's ceiling is likely not very high, but he's got a very good chance of being a solid contributor. I don't get the impression he's any better than Semien, though. That said, I think Viciedo is horrible, so I'd make the move. I'd trade him for Ackley if we didn't already have a logjam there. But for this team, a flier in the OF is mroe valuable than a flier in the IF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 02:54 PM) I believe the story was the Mariners offered Ackley for Viciedo, Hahn countered with Franklin for Viciedo, and then talks stopped. I would rather have Ackley than Franklin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 02:22 PM) There could be one caveat in here we're not thinking about. If they're considering moving Viciedo for one of the Mariners' expendibles...that would mean they've reached a point of severe unhappiness with Viciedo, either with something building during last season or something that they're really unhappy with about how he came to camp. Otherwise, the only reason to move him would be the M's overpaying by giving up one of the guys people are saying they won't give up. Not necessarily. Were the Sox unhappy with Santiago or Reed? Why would this be any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Mar 9, 2014 -> 04:33 PM) Not necessarily. Were the Sox unhappy with Santiago or Reed? Why would this be any different? In both of those cases, the Sox would appear to have gotten top-level returns for them of the sort that it seems people do not believe the Mariners will give up. That was the other option I noted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Despite his down season last year, I believe Viciedo still holds some decent value because of his younger age and run producing potential. I hope Hahn really explores all his options here. Its pretty obvious that the glaring hole on this team is the catcher position. If we can get a catcher from the Mariners who fits the current mold of this team (22-27 and MLB ready) than I wouldn't mind exploring this. However after looking at the Mariner depth of the catcher position, past Zunino, I really don't like what I see. Perhaps Hahn can pull off another creative three-way deal? The guy I want is Jason Castro out of Houston. He fits the mold perfectly for us. The fact that Castro does not want to negotiate a new deal in Houston got me thinking. Would the Astros be happy with Zunino at the catcher slot? If so, perhaps Hahn can somehow get Houston involved. This is just an example: White Sox get Jason Castro (better fit for Sox who are closer to competing) Mariners get Dayan Viciedo (Mariners get their guy!) Astros get Mike Zunino (better fit for Houston, get a young catcher with a high ceiling on a developing team, don't lose Castro for nothing) Granite, this deal would also have to involve other pieces to even things out, but something to consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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