southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 01:24 PM) Alarms didn't go off in the U.S. when planes started turning off their transponders until those planes started running into buildings. (to first order). Of course nothing has changed in the world since that day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 02:35 PM) Of course nothing has changed in the world since that day... But take a look at how this plane behaved. The transponder went off and no alarm bells sounded here either. Maybe this would be different over the United States, but it's also possible that "sounding the alarm bells every time there's a problem with a transponder signal" is a huge expense that we don't deal with until there's more reason to respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 02:19 PM) But take a look at how this plane behaved. The transponder went off and no alarm bells sounded here either. Maybe this would be different over the United States, but it's also possible that "sounding the alarm bells every time there's a problem with a transponder signal" is a huge expense that we don't deal with until there's more reason to respond. I dont see why alarm bells should have sounded in the US over a foreign airline disappearing off radar, outside of the united states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 03:43 PM) I dont see why alarm bells should have sounded in the US over a foreign airline disappearing off radar, outside of the united states. Here referring to "in this case", a perfectly valid use of the word "here". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 02:50 PM) Here referring to "in this case", a perfectly valid use of the word "here". I see, i thought you meant "Why didnt the US know this happened", to which i would think "not their problem(at the moment)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 The confusing thing to me is why is this stuff coming out so many days later. I am curious as to how often these things are turned off and how unless it is in tact at he bottom of the Indian Ocean is there no signal from something (i.e. blackbox). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 My guess is, the US is combing through satellite images right now, for anything they have in that area for that timeframe. They can use data on flights in that area/time that were known, try to eliminate some, and maybe get lucky and find it that way while it was still in the air. But that is a LOT of data to comb through, and it would take time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 04:28 PM) My guess is, the US is combing through satellite images right now, for anything they have in that area for that timeframe. They can use data on flights in that area/time that were known, try to eliminate some, and maybe get lucky and find it that way while it was still in the air. But that is a LOT of data to comb through, and it would take time. Actually the real trick would be that there should be software to look for these type of things pretty quickly if you're looking in the right area, it would just take processing power. We use software to look for color changes in land/ocean all the time. That's probably why private satellite companies out of China kept spotting things like "white objects" that turned out to be boats & such. Now that I write that, it makes me wonder whether the satellites that are going over just aren't calibrated to the type of things that might be seen. I do know that the ISS was supposed to make a pass over the LKP today and take images specifically to help the hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 03:32 PM) Actually the real trick would be that there should be software to look for these type of things pretty quickly if you're looking in the right area, it would just take processing power. We use software to look for color changes in land/ocean all the time. That's probably why private satellite companies out of China kept spotting things like "white objects" that turned out to be boats & such. Now that I write that, it makes me wonder whether the satellites that are going over just aren't calibrated to the type of things that might be seen. I do know that the ISS was supposed to make a pass over the LKP today and take images specifically to help the hunt. How well do those work for images taken at 1 or 2 AM? Or are they using infrared or something else that doesn't depend on visible light? You'd also have to deal with whatever cloud cover was in the area that could obscure the plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 04:34 PM) How well do those work for images taken at 1 or 2 AM? Or are they using infrared or something else that doesn't depend on visible light? You'd also have to deal with whatever cloud cover was in the area that could obscure the plane. 1-2 a.m. you wouldn't get anything useful, IR wouldn't help unless you had a temperature difference. However, several satellites, specifically Suomi-NPP can spot fires and burning even at night if such a thing happened. Cloud cover could definitely be a problem in getting good images but we're now about a week out so a number of different satellites should have gotten clean looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I meant more if they were specifically trying to analyze satellite images from when the plane disappeared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 14, 2014 -> 04:43 PM) I meant more if they were specifically trying to analyze satellite images from when the plane disappeared. That would be really tough. It's not only a small object at a large distance but its rapidly moving relative to everything around it. At a single time you need everything to come together. The good news would be there wouldn't be much data to sort through, either you have satellite images of the area or you don't. And if it's taken at night...good luck, I don't think even IR imagery would spot that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Now CNN saying that it is likely crashed into the Bay of Bengal or near it. So in an hour they will be back to having no idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 If I said flight 370 crashed in Lake Michigan, it wouldn't be any less reasonable than all the other rumors and explanations right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I'm placing money on Putin having stolen it. The USA will send CIA Agent Dennis Rodman to retrieve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 15, 2014 -> 12:43 AM) I'm placing money on Putin having stolen it. The USA will send CIA Agent Dennis Rodman to retrieve it. Sounds legit. On a serious side, the Malaysian government is hiding too much,now they officially are accepting the conclusion it was hijacked,it took them this long to confirm it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Could the plane have made it all the way to unfriendly Myanmar, and getting help hiding it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 15, 2014 -> 09:40 AM) Could the plane have made it all the way to unfriendly Myanmar, and getting help hiding it? I definitely think that's a very realistic possibility. I just feel bad for the families stuck in limbo on whether the passengers were killed or are being help captive ( which i would imagine they are to be used as leverage as some point?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share Posted March 16, 2014 QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Mar 15, 2014 -> 07:00 AM) Sounds legit. On a serious side, the Malaysian government is hiding too much,now they officially are accepting the conclusion it was hijacked,it took them this long to confirm it? I can't decide if the Malaysian government is very good at keeping secrets or completely incompetent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Send in sleeper agent Derek Zoolander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 For various reasons I hope the people are alive and the jet is being hid somewhere and will be revealed soon. There is something cool about hiding a jet for a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 This case is starting to reach DB Cooper levels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 16, 2014 -> 10:31 AM) This case is starting to reach DB Cooper levels On steroids. DB Cooper was one guy. This is an entire plane plus 239 people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 For various reasons I hope the people are alive and the jet is being hid somewhere and will be revealed soon. There is something cool about hiding a jet for a week. Well yes, I think we all obviously hope that these 200+ people are still alive. The fact that this would also mean that somebody has pulled off possibly the best caper ever is an added bonus. It's also possible that the hijackers were going to do something majorly disastrous and these 200+ people took the plane down to prevent it, just like the 4th plane on 9/11. That's the next best outcome to all these people being alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 If the passengers brought it down what was the target? Is there any target in the region that would have been 9/11-esque? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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