Eminor3rd Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Yes, I would. No chance in hell we get Ray or Castellanos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 The White Sox should be willing to trade anyone to any team, but the key is the return. Unless the White Sox would be getting something back that they think makes them a better team, trading Alexei to Detroit or Miami or Houston or TB makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Trade him to a too-desperate Yankee team after Jeter gets hurt midseason. I'll want to see if any of their, more valuable than Cervelli, C spects are worthy by that point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nunnigan Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Other teams have better pieces to suit the needs for the Sox. The Tigers brought this upon themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 QUOTE (Nunnigan @ Mar 17, 2014 -> 09:50 AM) Other teams have better pieces to suit the needs for the Sox. The Tigers brought this upon themselves. The question is, did the Tigers know about this when they made the deal? If so, it makes it even worse than it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glangon Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I find it utterly bizarre that a team that is supposedly challenging for the World Series, would be so short-sighted to not have adequate back-up to a position, especially one filled by a player who has a known existing injury. The Tigers can only look at themselves for being stupid enough to allow this happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 QUOTE (Nunnigan @ Mar 17, 2014 -> 08:50 AM) Other teams have better pieces to suit the needs for the Sox. The Tigers brought this upon themselves. Sanchez has a big upside, doesn't he? Huge overpay, but like I'm sayin', desperate. Anything's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 17, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) Sanchez has a big upside, doesn't he? Huge overpay, but like I'm sayin', desperate. Anything's possible. If McCann's not even a Top 10 consensus player in an organization as thin as DET at the minor league level, you definitely go for the Yankees. It's also a bit of a complicated situation pushing Avila out there, with his dad in the front office. That said, he's another 3-4 "so-so" months from facing serious competition one way or the other with the "win now" mentality there. It's what forced out the likes of Inge, Santiago, Infante, Boesch, etc. Lack of patience with average or below average results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Mar 15, 2014 -> 11:45 PM) Yeah, and Stephen Drew will be an upgrade over Iglesias. I don't get all the hype around Iglesias. He is more Didi Gregorious, and less Andrelton Simmons. Dude has no bat. In 350 AB's last season, as a rookie, he hit .303. With his defensive ability, if he hits .250, he is a prize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (SCCWS @ Mar 17, 2014 -> 08:41 PM) In 350 AB's last season, as a rookie, he hit .303. With his defensive ability, if he hits .250, he is a prize. His minor league career OPS is 626. That's what we would realistically expect out of Carlos Sanchez or Leury Garcia at the major league level. From all existing career evidence, last year was a huge anomaly offensively to outperform his track record by 50+ OPS points. Edited March 18, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 The Iglesias trade stunk of desperation when it was made and remains just as baffling. I'm glad we got the elite prospect in that deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 QUOTE (SCCWS @ Mar 17, 2014 -> 09:41 PM) In 350 AB's last season, as a rookie, he hit .303. With his defensive ability, if he hits .250, he is a prize. That was with a .356 BABIP, and that .303 was still quite empty (21 XBHs, 5/7 SB/CS, 3.9% BB%). If he hits .250, it's likely going to be about a .250/.300/.325 line, and he could be ultimately be a much worse hitter than that too. His line in Detroit last year was .259/.306/.348. Yes, he's good defensively, but, as was pointed out, he has no bat. We'll also have to see how he ultimately grades out on defense. My guess is going to be that he grades well but is ultimately overrated defensively. People will say he's the best or one of the two best defensive shortstops, and I think that's going to be extremely debatable, but ultimately we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Olney is reporting that many within the Phillies organization believe they need to trade Rollins immediately. Not sure how that would play with the Tigers but it adds another option out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Yes. Tyler Collins and Bruce Rondon come back, we throw in Molina to balance out the 40 man rosters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkfan Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 General opinion on Alexei at soxtalk has not been good at all. Now the board seems to think alexei can attract a top 3 prospect from a team. If that is the case, I'm all for it, but I think if hahn wants to keep his job, he'll need to turn this ship around quickly, and he'll need alexei to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (Hawkfan @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 09:28 AM) General opinion on Alexei at soxtalk has not been good at all. Now the board seems to think alexei can attract a top 3 prospect from a team. If that is the case, I'm all for it, but I think if hahn wants to keep his job, he'll need to turn this ship around quickly, and he'll need alexei to do it. Soxtalk is quite schizophrenic on the players on the team. A guy comes up and he is going to be all world, if struggles in his first month he needs to be cut or traded for a bag of balls. Alexei is a valuable player, his power was down last season but he had his best season on the base paths. He is a good player and has pretty good value. As far as top prospects, no, but he could pull two mid level guys or three lottery tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 I don't know about the general consensus, but some of the more rational posters have always felt that Alexei is a decent player with decent value. You can't argue with the defense. It's just that he seemed like he might be a good offensive player for a while, and he just hasn't been. I have not noticed a lot of Alexei hatred around here, just disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 I've always liked Alexei. At times, I've liked him a LOT. The weird thing about him is how he completely reversed himself in terms of his onfield contribution. He started out as a raw, toolsy power guy with average footspeed and on-base skills, who was thrown into CF because he was bad defensively. Since then, he's slowly morphed in a light-hitting, free-swinging defensive specialist who suddenly steals a ton of bases. Literally the opposite of the typical career path. He's disappointing because he could have been a consistent 20 homer guy if he ever learned some plate discipline. There's no doubt he has the contact skills, but you're going to produce a ton of pop ups and weak grounders when you insist on swinging at stuff at your eyes, off the handle, and 9 inches off the plate. Even as some parts of his game have declined though, he's improved other parts and remained a useful player. But yeah, he's not netting a top 3 prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 5m #mets in market for a ss but wont trade coveted syndergaard. http://cbsprt.co/1ihiaWL How about Alexei to the Mets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 12:19 PM) Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 5m #mets in market for a ss but wont trade coveted syndergaard. http://cbsprt.co/1ihiaWL How about Alexei to the Mets? They wont take on the money and dont want to give anything up. So not really a match. The Mets are a lot like the Cubs now with financial restrictions and vastly overrating their internal prospects. They would have to give up one of their two C prospects and a pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 01:09 PM) They wont take on the money and dont want to give anything up. So not really a match. The Mets are a lot like the Cubs now with financial restrictions and vastly overrating their internal prospects. They would have to give up one of their two C prospects and a pitcher. They won't take on the money after giving Granderson and Colon the contracts they did this off season? I don't think I agree with you there. I don't know much of their farm system either. It was just a suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 01:16 PM) They won't take on the money after giving Granderson and Colon the contracts they did this off season? I don't think I agree with you there. I don't know much of their farm system either. It was just a suggestion. Not trying to discount it, their FO just does not seem like the best to work with. They have been chastised for not spending and the union was threatening an investigation to see where the organizations money is going, so some of the moves this offseason were seen as token moves to keep some of the heat off. There has been speculation that the Madoff situation really weakened the ownership financially and that they are pulling out money to cover their losses in addition to the big debt load they took on when they purchased the team. Some teams will eat the money if the other team is willing to offer up a solid spect in return, but the Mets are very protective of their farm at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Alexei is safe for now. Tigers got SS Andy Romine from Dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 12:25 PM) Not trying to discount it, their FO just does not seem like the best to work with. They have been chastised for not spending and the union was threatening an investigation to see where the organizations money is going, so some of the moves this offseason were seen as token moves to keep some of the heat off. There has been speculation that the Madoff situation really weakened the ownership financially and that they are pulling out money to cover their losses in addition to the big debt load they took on when they purchased the team. Some teams will eat the money if the other team is willing to offer up a solid spect in return, but the Mets are very protective of their farm at this point. I believe all of that Madoff stuff is long resolved. Then owner Sonny Werblin lost a bundle to his buddy Madoff. Madoff then gave much of it back to Werblin, and the Trustee then sued Werblin to recapture the give back. They negotiated a settlement, and the financial prressure was then off since they knew what the damage was. Werblin was quite a character. His name appeared often and not very complimentary in the latest biography of Johnny Carson, written by Heny Bushkin. Werblin was his original advisor, and he really ripped Johnny financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 QUOTE (oldsox @ Mar 22, 2014 -> 07:23 AM) Alexei is safe for now. Tigers got SS Andy Romine from Dodgers. That's not a good solution. They would have been better off with Dee Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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