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Would you trade Alexei to the Tigers?


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I find it utterly bizarre that a team that is supposedly challenging for the World Series, would be so short-sighted to not have adequate back-up to a position, especially one filled by a player who has a known existing injury.

 

The Tigers can only look at themselves for being stupid enough to allow this happen. :lol:

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QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 17, 2014 -> 09:07 AM)
Sanchez has a big upside, doesn't he? Huge overpay, but like I'm sayin', desperate. Anything's possible.

 

If McCann's not even a Top 10 consensus player in an organization as thin as DET at the minor league level, you definitely go for the Yankees.

 

It's also a bit of a complicated situation pushing Avila out there, with his dad in the front office.

 

That said, he's another 3-4 "so-so" months from facing serious competition one way or the other with the "win now" mentality there.

 

 

It's what forced out the likes of Inge, Santiago, Infante, Boesch, etc. Lack of patience with average or below average results.

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QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Mar 15, 2014 -> 11:45 PM)
Yeah, and Stephen Drew will be an upgrade over Iglesias. I don't get all the hype around Iglesias. He is more Didi Gregorious, and less Andrelton Simmons. Dude has no bat.

 

 

In 350 AB's last season, as a rookie, he hit .303. With his defensive ability, if he hits .250, he is a prize.

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QUOTE (SCCWS @ Mar 17, 2014 -> 08:41 PM)
In 350 AB's last season, as a rookie, he hit .303. With his defensive ability, if he hits .250, he is a prize.

 

 

His minor league career OPS is 626. That's what we would realistically expect out of Carlos Sanchez or Leury Garcia at the major league level.

 

From all existing career evidence, last year was a huge anomaly offensively to outperform his track record by 50+ OPS points.

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QUOTE (SCCWS @ Mar 17, 2014 -> 09:41 PM)
In 350 AB's last season, as a rookie, he hit .303. With his defensive ability, if he hits .250, he is a prize.

 

That was with a .356 BABIP, and that .303 was still quite empty (21 XBHs, 5/7 SB/CS, 3.9% BB%). If he hits .250, it's likely going to be about a .250/.300/.325 line, and he could be ultimately be a much worse hitter than that too. His line in Detroit last year was .259/.306/.348.

 

Yes, he's good defensively, but, as was pointed out, he has no bat. We'll also have to see how he ultimately grades out on defense. My guess is going to be that he grades well but is ultimately overrated defensively. People will say he's the best or one of the two best defensive shortstops, and I think that's going to be extremely debatable, but ultimately we'll see.

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General opinion on Alexei at soxtalk has not been good at all. Now the board seems to think alexei can attract a top 3 prospect from a team. If that is the case, I'm all for it, but I think if hahn wants to keep his job, he'll need to turn this ship around quickly, and he'll need alexei to do it.

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QUOTE (Hawkfan @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 09:28 AM)
General opinion on Alexei at soxtalk has not been good at all. Now the board seems to think alexei can attract a top 3 prospect from a team. If that is the case, I'm all for it, but I think if hahn wants to keep his job, he'll need to turn this ship around quickly, and he'll need alexei to do it.

 

Soxtalk is quite schizophrenic on the players on the team. A guy comes up and he is going to be all world, if struggles in his first month he needs to be cut or traded for a bag of balls. Alexei is a valuable player, his power was down last season but he had his best season on the base paths. He is a good player and has pretty good value. As far as top prospects, no, but he could pull two mid level guys or three lottery tickets.

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I don't know about the general consensus, but some of the more rational posters have always felt that Alexei is a decent player with decent value. You can't argue with the defense. It's just that he seemed like he might be a good offensive player for a while, and he just hasn't been.

 

I have not noticed a lot of Alexei hatred around here, just disappointment.

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I've always liked Alexei. At times, I've liked him a LOT.

 

The weird thing about him is how he completely reversed himself in terms of his onfield contribution. He started out as a raw, toolsy power guy with average footspeed and on-base skills, who was thrown into CF because he was bad defensively. Since then, he's slowly morphed in a light-hitting, free-swinging defensive specialist who suddenly steals a ton of bases. Literally the opposite of the typical career path.

 

He's disappointing because he could have been a consistent 20 homer guy if he ever learned some plate discipline. There's no doubt he has the contact skills, but you're going to produce a ton of pop ups and weak grounders when you insist on swinging at stuff at your eyes, off the handle, and 9 inches off the plate. Even as some parts of his game have declined though, he's improved other parts and remained a useful player.

 

But yeah, he's not netting a top 3 prospect.

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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 12:19 PM)
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 5m

#mets in market for a ss but wont trade coveted syndergaard. http://cbsprt.co/1ihiaWL

 

How about Alexei to the Mets?

 

They wont take on the money and dont want to give anything up. So not really a match. The Mets are a lot like the Cubs now with financial restrictions and vastly overrating their internal prospects. They would have to give up one of their two C prospects and a pitcher.

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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 01:09 PM)
They wont take on the money and dont want to give anything up. So not really a match. The Mets are a lot like the Cubs now with financial restrictions and vastly overrating their internal prospects. They would have to give up one of their two C prospects and a pitcher.

 

They won't take on the money after giving Granderson and Colon the contracts they did this off season? I don't think I agree with you there. I don't know much of their farm system either. It was just a suggestion.

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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 01:16 PM)
They won't take on the money after giving Granderson and Colon the contracts they did this off season? I don't think I agree with you there. I don't know much of their farm system either. It was just a suggestion.

 

Not trying to discount it, their FO just does not seem like the best to work with. They have been chastised for not spending and the union was threatening an investigation to see where the organizations money is going, so some of the moves this offseason were seen as token moves to keep some of the heat off. There has been speculation that the Madoff situation really weakened the ownership financially and that they are pulling out money to cover their losses in addition to the big debt load they took on when they purchased the team. Some teams will eat the money if the other team is willing to offer up a solid spect in return, but the Mets are very protective of their farm at this point.

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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 12:25 PM)
Not trying to discount it, their FO just does not seem like the best to work with. They have been chastised for not spending and the union was threatening an investigation to see where the organizations money is going, so some of the moves this offseason were seen as token moves to keep some of the heat off. There has been speculation that the Madoff situation really weakened the ownership financially and that they are pulling out money to cover their losses in addition to the big debt load they took on when they purchased the team. Some teams will eat the money if the other team is willing to offer up a solid spect in return, but the Mets are very protective of their farm at this point.

I believe all of that Madoff stuff is long resolved. Then owner Sonny Werblin lost a bundle to his buddy Madoff. Madoff then gave much of it back to Werblin, and the Trustee then sued Werblin to recapture the give back. They negotiated a settlement, and the financial prressure was then off since they knew what the damage was.

 

Werblin was quite a character. His name appeared often and not very complimentary in the latest biography of Johnny Carson, written by Heny Bushkin. Werblin was his original advisor, and he really ripped Johnny financially.

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