pettie4sox Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share Posted March 19, 2014 I do think taxes need to be drastically decreased in Illinois. People have overpaid for years without the services to back it up. Maybe on a tighter budget, things will get done. I know it's naive to believe there is hope for these worthless f***ing politicians but pretty soon people will just pack it in and get the hell out of Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 09:56 AM) My property taxes are capped at 1% by the state of Indiana. That would appeal to lots of people. Is that 1% of your property value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 09:56 AM) My property taxes are capped at 1% by the state of Indiana. That would appeal to lots of people. My property taxes are definitely because of where I live so any capping or lowering would interest me greatly, however most of my taxes go towards the excellent school in my village so not sure how that works out. How about we pass a law that Illinois politicians only can make 75k a year tops? I'd be on board with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 So property taxes are mostly going to schools/police/etc. I'm not sure I could see how state setting a level like that is practical. So if a locality decides it wants an improvement to their schools it would what, increase sales tax? That's incredibly regressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 10:04 AM) So property taxes are mostly going to schools/police/etc. I'm not sure I could see how state setting a level like that is practical. So if a locality decides it wants an improvement to their schools it would what, increase sales tax? That's incredibly regressive. people move to areas with good schools and pay taxes appropriately, the state cant regulate that IMO. People who live in Robbins arent going to pay the same tax rate as people in Winnetka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 09:22 AM) Not that it's terribly relevant, but these were ruled unconstitutional in South Dakota based on a statute that states the notice must be given to you in person by an issuing officer. They should be unconstitutional everywhere, as they bypass due process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 09:43 AM) No I believe it was Rahm's team that came up with the projection and the actual has been a small percentage, not to mention the extreme corruption and bribery that went on when selecting the vendor. Meanwhile Colorado is making as much off of Marijuana taxes each month as they are on liquor taxes. They are projecting about 70 million in revenue this year. Just sayin I don't know what the marijuana sin tax percentage is, but I think as more and more states move to (and do) legalize consumption, you'll also see diminishing marginal returns on taxes. I'm guessing Colorado itself saw quite the influx of new citizens due entirely to the legalization of marijuana. Washington is probably similar, but it's so far isolated that it makes more sense for people to move to Colorado as opposed to Washington. Right now, if marijuana were legalized in Illinois, you'd likely see a similar uptick in population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 10:04 AM) So property taxes are mostly going to schools/police/etc. I'm not sure I could see how state setting a level like that is practical. So if a locality decides it wants an improvement to their schools it would what, increase sales tax? That's incredibly regressive. I feel like consumption taxes are the best way to go. I'm no economist or tax guru but I feel like the income tax is just plan wrong on so many levels. People need their money and the government is consistently triple or even in some cases quadruple taxing the people. 1) Income 2) Food & Sales Tax 3) Utility taxes 4) Property Taxes So the government is consistently dipping into the pot with very few results to show for it. They just can't resist those ooey gooey cookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 03:04 PM) How about we pass a law that Illinois politicians only can make 75k a year tops? I'd be on board with that. What would this do? I think the issue right now is while there is a definite desire in IL for a Republican administration to take over governor, the only places that are electing republicans are incredibly conservative and putting out really terrible candidates. That Oberweis once again can win a primary is a joke. I'm sure he benefits the Republicans in fundraising, but at some point he is running so much people associate Illinois Republicans with Jim Oberweis. When you have a good candidate (Kirk) that can appeal to people by not being crazy/distancing themselves from national party they do well. But the well is too often dry. A Chris Christie/Romney/S. Brown candidate would clean house, but they are nowhere to be found. Dillard would have destroyed Quinn. And here's Rauner. I doubt the guy gets to November without being sunk by his corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 09:47 AM) I like how if it "works" by reducing the breaking of the law, then we can no longer afford to have it/nobody wants to have it because it wasn't the purpose of its implementation. The commercialization of public life for you Is it actually reducing speeding or were the projections bulls*** to begin with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 10:10 AM) What would this do? Right, Rauner is a multi-billionaire. He's not running for governor for the paycheck. Many politicians are already wealthy when they run for office, and lowering the salary just ensures that you're going to keep attracting the already wealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 03:12 PM) Right, Rauner is a multi-billionaire. He's not running for governor for the paycheck. Many politicians are already wealthy when they run for office, and lowering the salary just ensures that you're going to keep attracting the already wealthy. Or they will just run a term, and jump to a local consulting gig selling their "influence" for millions (see Rahm's lucrative post congressional bank gig) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 10:10 AM) Dillard would have destroyed Quinn. And here's Rauner. I doubt the guy gets to November without being sunk by his corruption. Sounds like he's a perfect fit for IL governor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 10:10 AM) What would this do? I think the issue right now is while there is a definite desire in IL for a Republican administration to take over governor, the only places that are electing republicans are incredibly conservative and putting out really terrible candidates. That Oberweis once again can win a primary is a joke. I'm sure he benefits the Republicans in fundraising, but at some point he is running so much people associate Illinois Republicans with Jim Oberweis. When you have a good candidate (Kirk) that can appeal to people by not being crazy/distancing themselves from national party they do well. But the well is too often dry. A Chris Christie/Romney/S. Brown candidate would clean house, but they are nowhere to be found. Dillard would have destroyed Quinn. And here's Rauner. I doubt the guy gets to November without being sunk by his corruption. Save us millions of dollars. I'd like to include local reps as well like Chicago alderman who are making 125k+ for a part time job. We elect FELONS as Chicago alderman without any issues. And I dont think there is a huge desire in IL for a republican to take over since you have to include Chicago as part of IL. My desire to just to get Quinn out of office so I'd vote green party at this point. And Oberweis is a joke in so many ways. He gets the ice cream and the crazy religious vote and thats about it. Edited March 19, 2014 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 10:09 AM) I feel like consumption taxes are the best way to go. I'm no economist or tax guru but I feel like the income tax is just plan wrong on so many levels. People need their money and the government is consistently triple or even in some cases quadruple taxing the people. 1) Income 2) Food & Sales Tax 3) Utility taxes 4) Property Taxes So the government is consistently dipping into the pot with very few results to show for it. They just can't resist those ooey gooey cookies. Consumption taxes are highly regressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share Posted March 19, 2014 I didn't really put 2 and 2 together but Oberweis is the ice cream guru? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 OBERWEIS DOES NOT GET MY ICE CREAM VOTE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 10:17 AM) I didn't really put 2 and 2 together but Oberweis is the ice cream guru? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 10:17 AM) Consumption taxes are highly regressive. Then the government should choose where to tax accordingly. Tax our income and leave the rest alone. The problem with that is that people who get paid under the table dodge taxes. Atleast with consumption, you hit everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 10:14 AM) Or they will just run a term, and jump to a local consulting gig selling their "influence" for millions (see Rahm's lucrative post congressional bank gig) That's the other side of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 10:17 AM) OBERWEIS DOES NOT GET MY ICE CREAM VOTE!!! He literally mentioned ice cream like 20 times in interviews yesterday. The guy is a clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 10:19 AM) That's the other side of it. I'm more salty from Chicago politicians especially Walter Burnett who spent time in prison for bank robbery. He's the slimiest bulls*** politician ive even seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 03:15 PM) Save us millions of dollars. I'd like to include local reps as well like Chicago alderman who are making 125k+ for a part time job. We elect FELONS as Chicago alderman without any issues. And I dont think there is a huge desire in IL for a republican to take over since you have to include Chicago as part of IL. My desire to just to get Quinn out of office so I'd vote green party at this point. And Oberweis is a joke in so many ways. He gets the ice cream and the crazy religious vote and thats about it. While huge desire is overstating, I think a NJ comparison is apt. If a republican governor came into power in illinois, worked with the democrats to pass things, he would be hugely popular. But they seem more interested in Scott Walker for some reason as a road map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 09:43 AM) No I believe it was Rahm's team that came up with the projection and the actual has been a small percentage, not to mention the extreme corruption and bribery that went on when selecting the vendor. Meanwhile Colorado is making as much off of Marijuana taxes each month as they are on liquor taxes. They are projecting about 70 million in revenue this year. Just sayin Eh, are you sure on that number? I thought they collected 2 million the first month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 09:52 AM) If its effective it literally costs more money than we are making so we are paying for a service that was supposed to generate revenue. I still am shocked that this made sense to the folks who approved it. When I am looking for a revenue stream I am looking for something that is self sustaining. They are essentially going to be upside down on a car loan. No no, it was to save the children! That's how Rahm was selling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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