Balta1701 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 05:16 PM) You were saying... If a guy puts up a .380 OBP at Birmingham and a .312 OBP at a higher level, the assumption that his full year's numbers are meaningful is absolutely laughable. The only way a person could write that is if they have no understanding of the fact that AAA ball is higher than AA ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 04:10 PM) He'll get his chance soon enough. Have some faith, Hahn is smart. With most teams money is usually an overriding factor in roster decisions and playing time. By any measure, the Sox do not have to be one of those teams at the moment. They are doing it by choice and coming off a 99-loss season, it's the wrong thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 04:16 PM) No. However, you don't understand how baseball works. You see, there are different levels in baseball. There is such a thing known as "minor leagues" where a combination of young players and guys who aren't good enough to play in the big leagues play baseball games during the year. A typical baseball organization will have 6-7 different levels including 1 big league team and 5-6 "minor league teams". These minor league teams are given different names based on their skill levels. The lowest level teams are Rookie ball and "A" ball. At higher levels are AA and AAA ball. Guys who perform well at one level will often move up to a more difficult level. Thus, if you see a guy like Andy Wilkins who puts up a .380+ OBP at AA ball and .312 at AAA during the same season...those numbers should be broken apart because the 2nd number was performed against higher level talent. You should attempt to familiarize yourself with how minor league systems are structured before commenting. Very few people who are at AA ball and perform worse during their first visit to AAA ball will immediately start playing better in the big leagues than they did at AAA ball. Major league baseball talent is much, much better than AAA level talent and MUCH MUCH better than AA level talent. Therefore you should not project that a guy who put up a .312 OBP at AAA will put up a .350 OBP at a big league level until he takes a step forward at AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 04:16 PM) No. However, you don't understand how baseball works. You see, there are different levels in baseball. There is such a thing known as "minor leagues" where a combination of young players and guys who aren't good enough to play in the big leagues play baseball games during the year. A typical baseball organization will have 6-7 different levels including 1 big league team and 5-6 "minor league teams". These minor league teams are given different names based on their skill levels. The lowest level teams are Rookie ball and "A" ball. At higher levels are AA and AAA ball. Guys who perform well at one level will often move up to a more difficult level. Thus, if you see a guy like Andy Wilkins who puts up a .380+ OBP at AA ball and .312 at AAA during the same season...those numbers should be broken apart because the 2nd number was performed against higher level talent. You should attempt to familiarize yourself with how minor league systems are structured before commenting. Very few people who are at AA ball and perform worse during their first visit to AAA ball will immediately start playing better in the big leagues than they did at AAA ball. Major league baseball talent is much, much better than AAA level talent and MUCH MUCH better than AA level talent. Therefore you should not project that a guy who put up a .312 OBP at AAA will put up a .350 OBP at a big league level until he takes a step forward at AAA. This is fantastic progress. Why it was just this time last year that you predicted the 2013 White Sox to WIN 90+ games. Gold Star for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 04:18 PM) If a guy puts up a .380 OBP at Birmingham and a .312 OBP at a higher level, the assumption that his full year's numbers are meaningful is absolutely laughable. The only way a person could write that is if they have no understanding of the fact that AAA ball is higher than AA ball. Absolutely. It seems a new low is set with each and every post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 12:42 PM) A couple of sources said at the time of the signing the $1.1m was guaranteed only if he made the 25-man roster. Given his release I'd say that's a safe bet. And Hahn said they would like to bring him back on a minor league deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (oldsox @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 02:34 PM) I just saw that Addison Reed was lights out in his first appearance for Arizona. Meanwhile, Davidson gets sent down because he can't beat out Conor Gillespie. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 04:10 PM) You have truly reached a new low. And for me to agree with Balta is saying something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 05:24 PM) This is fantastic progress. Why it was just this time last year that you predicted the 2013 White Sox to WIN 90+ games. Gold Star for you. Our next lesson for you is summed up by this Wikipedia page. I suggest you read it before your next post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 04:24 PM) This is fantastic progress. Why it was just this time last year that you predicted the 2013 White Sox to WIN 90+ games. Gold Star for you. So how did you do in the prediction game last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 04:30 PM) So how did you do in the prediction game last year? No comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 04:33 PM) No comment. Interesting how you point the finger at others but do not want it pointed back at you. Most adults grow out of childish behavior such as this, makes me wonder about your age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 04:38 PM) Interesting how you point the finger at others but do not want it pointed back at you. Most adults grow out of childish behavior such as this, makes me wonder about your age. I did not point the finger at Balta. He directed a personal attack at me which I responded to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 05:43 PM) I did not point the finger at Balta. He directed a personal attack at me which I responded to. However, you did not address the actual given point, that Wilkins's OBP last year is made up of a .380 OBP at birmingham and .310 at Charlotte, and thus the .350 average is irrelevant. You ignored it. Instead, you responded with an ad hominem attack, changing the subject and attacking on an irrelevant issue because you will not say that you expect Wilkins to put up a higher than .312 OBP if he is brought up right now. Josh Phegley's average OPS between Chicago and Charlotte last year is .765. That should indicate that he was an above average contributor using the exact same standard you just used, so why aren't you up in arms about him being at Charlotte? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 04:43 PM) I did not point the finger at Balta. He directed a personal attack at me which I responded to. You pointed out how he predicted 90 wins last year which was completely unrelated to the topic of discussion. Then when he asked how many wins you predicted you reply with " no comment". So yes, you did point the finger. This concludes today's psychology lesson. Edited March 23, 2014 by StRoostifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 05:50 PM) You pointed out how he predicted 90 wins last year which was completely unrelated to the topic of discussion. Then when he asked how many wins you predicted you reply with " no comment". So yes, you did point the finger. This concludes today's psychology lesson. I feel like a nice Marty change of topic reply to this would be "if Sale gets injured, the Sox waited too long to trade him." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 04:59 PM) I feel like a nice Marty change of topic reply to this would be "if Sale gets injured, the Sox waited too long to trade him." No kidding Vance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 04:49 PM) However, you did not address the actual given point, that Wilkins's OBP last year is made up of a .380 OBP at birmingham and .310 at Charlotte, and thus the .350 average is irrelevant. You ignored it. Instead, you responded with an ad hominem attack, changing the subject and attacking on an irrelevant issue because you will not say that you expect Wilkins to put up a higher than .312 OBP if he is brought up right now. Josh Phegley's average OPS between Chicago and Charlotte last year is .765. That should indicate that he was an above average contributor using the exact same standard you just used, so why aren't you up in arms about him being at Charlotte? There are many things currently with this organization to be up in arms with, I just haven't gotten around to Flowers/Phegley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 07:25 PM) There are many things currently with this organization to be up in arms with, I just haven't gotten around to Flowers/Phegley. And obviously, you pay so little attention that you failed to note the .520 OPS he put up in the big leagues last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickJones81 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Correct me if I'm wrong, but Micah Johnson is still in big league camp isn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 05:25 PM) There are many things currently with this organization to be up in arms with, I just haven't gotten around to Flowers/Phegley. Just let go of the chandelier and you'll be more comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 QUOTE (QuickJones81 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 05:42 PM) Correct me if I'm wrong, but Micah Johnson is still in big league camp isn't he? He's looked better in the field than Marcus this ST. Small sample, I know, and ST is ST. Just reading the tea leaves regarding the way they presented him to the media late last season, coupled with the long look this spring, I think the org really likes him. But he'll be in B'Ham next week, almost certainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 23, 2014 -> 04:28 PM) No. Okay, Southsider, I'll bite. Please explain. I think I know what you will say, just want to hear it. Regardless, I still don't like the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I wonder if they moved on Jordan Danks early just to show other teams they'll keep De Aza unless they get what they want in a trade right now. Maybe they're trying to force some team's hands in the next week. Anyway, it's an interesting roster. It's going to be fun to see who will be here August 1st...and who won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this basically what the Opening Day roster will probably look like? With the last bullpen spot the only battle left. C: Flowers - Nieto 1B/DH: Abreu - Konerko - Dunn IF: Gillaspie - Semien - Garcia - Ramirez OF: Garcia - De Aza - Viciedo - Eaton SP: Sale - Q - Danks - Johnson - Paulino RP: Jones - Downs - Lindstrom - Belisario - Cleto - Veal - Putnam/Purcey/Webb DL: Keppinger - Beckham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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