cabiness42 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 If Nieto ever amounts to anything, this will be the ultimate FU to Rizzo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I'm not sure if they're on the list (surely not), but I would take Gourriel and Despaigne, too. HAHA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I have to admit I thought there was next to no chance of this happening. For that matter, I still think it is a pretty bad idea. They are trying the Flores route here (ironic, since that was the Nats), but I doubt it works. Someone asked Hahn about the possibility of a trade to keep Nieto in the minors, and he indicated that would be "difficult". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 How long does Nieto need to stay on the roster before he can be sent down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 09:28 AM) How long does Nieto need to stay on the roster before he can be sent down? 162 games (DL/rehab stint time is ok). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) Whatever happens, there shouldn't be any excuses for Flowers and/or Phegley if they can't cut it this year. It's not like they both haven't been presented with plentiful opportunities to take the bull by the horns and run with it. Edited March 25, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 08:30 AM) 162 games (DL/rehab stint time is ok). So can the Sox pull some cloak and daggers by saying his has an injury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 08:25 AM) I have to admit I thought there was next to no chance of this happening. For that matter, I still think it is a pretty bad idea. They are trying the Flores route here (ironic, since that was the Nats), but I doubt it works. Someone asked Hahn about the possibility of a trade to keep Nieto in the minors, and he indicated that would be "difficult". Which is exactly why I figured this is the way it would go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 08:30 AM) 162 games (DL/rehab stint time is ok). Not exactly. They changed the rules a few years back. They have to be on the active roster (non-Dl, non-rehab) for a total of 90 days in the season, otherwise the roster requirements carry into the next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 08:48 AM) Whatever happens, there shouldn't be any excuses for Flowers and/or Phegley if they can't cut it this year. It's not like they both haven't been presented with plentiful opportunities to take the bull by the horns and run with it. Phegley still has some time. Last year were his first ever MLB AB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 08:30 AM) 162 games (DL/rehab stint time is ok). I know 60-day DL doesn't work anymore though, if it ever did. The player has to remain on the 40-man roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Why would it be difficult to pull off a trade for a Single A player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 09:34 AM) Why would it be difficult to pull off a trade for a Single A player? Because Mike Rizzo is an asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 09:34 AM) Why would it be difficult to pull off a trade for a Single A player? Because he likes Nieto more than any of the A players we are willing to give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 09:34 AM) Because Mike Rizzo is an asshole. I think Rizzo was the White Sox scout who recommended Frank Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) It's possible they just believe he's a defensive catcher and cheap, so as far as the bat...can just see how it progresses without wild expectations. It's a year when one can afford to do this, and since we arent planning on winning the WS anyway--- you can send Nieto in '15 if need be and hope he didnt get his progress derailed in any way. No point in spending on a veteran when Flowers is about to catch a ton of games for us Edited March 25, 2014 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 09:48 AM) I think Rizzo was the White Sox scout who recommended Frank Thomas. So he has eyes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 He has looked competent. It might work out fine, even if he never develops into a starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/white-so...hance-on-nieto/ By Daryl Van Schouwen | Get In Touch: @CST_soxvan | [email protected] Inside the White Sox, Sports - March 25, 2014 8:52 am White Sox will ‘take a chance’ on Nieto Share 2 GLENDALE, Ariz. – The White Sox liked what they saw of catcher Adrian Nieto from the get-go in camp. The only drawback for the Rule 5 draft pick – and it’s significant – is how he would navigate a jump from Class A to the major leagues. The Sox, who according to Nieto’s agent have already decided that Nieto is the one who’ll back up Tyler Flowers behind the plate this season, are going to find out soon with Opening Day Monday at U.S. Cellular Field. The other option left in camp was Hector Gimenez, who started last season as Flowers’ backup. “With Nieto, you’re going to take a chance,’’ manager Robin Ventura said Sunday. “With Hector you know what you’re going to get.’’ Nieto, 24, doesn’t seem to be a big risk. The Sox alternatives weren’t great — Josh Phegley was sent back to the minor leagues last week — and Gimenez is serviceable. Nieto is 5-for-20 with two doubles and five RBI in Cactus League games. Sox pitchers have applauded his work ethic and attention to detail. They like how he goes out of his way to discuss their plans of attack and thought processes. “We’ve been really pleased with him,” general manager Rick Hahn Sunday. The Sox haven’t announced the Opening Day roster, but because Nieto was a Rule 5 pick he must stay on the active roster all season or be placed on waivers. If he isn’t claimed by another team, he would have to be offered back to the Nationals for $25,000. “To take a kid out of the Carolina League and put him in the big leagues as a backup catcher hasn’t happened a lot,” Hahn said. “But that doesn’t mean that he can’t do it.” Nieto, like Gimenez, is a switch-hitter. He batted .282 with 11 homers and 53 RBI over 448 plate appearances for high Class A Potomac in the Carolina League last season. “He’s shown us a little bit more with his right-handed swing than we anticipated,” Hahn said. “We thought the left-handed swing was going to be a little bit better. He’s hung in there well and worked the count. He’s battled. He’s an interesting kid and we are glad we have him. “The pitchers enjoy throwing to him. We’ve had conversations with each of the starters and most of the relievers about their comfort level with each of the catchers and their reviews have been good.’’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I think I would call Mike Rizzo everyday and offer him Adam Dunn for Adrien Nieto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I just want to point this out, something to think about... Adrian Nieto last year, age 23, 6th MiLB year, High A: .282/.371/.446, 11 HR, 18.3% K/PA Kevan Smith last year, age 24, 3rd MiLB year, High A: .286/.370/.484, 12 HR, 14.9% K/PA Offensively, I am not convinced Nieto is any better than Smith at this point. In fact I'm fairly sure I'd take Smith's bat over Nieto. Defensively, Smith was considered raw, but also has improved and there are positive reports about his pitcher handling. His CS% in 2012 (2013 I can't find) was 33%, and he had 14 PB in 92 games. Nieto is considered better defensively overall, and the pitchers seem to like him in camp (which is big), but.... His CS% in 2012 (I can't find 2013 data) was 32%. He had 14 PB in 85 games. Numbers aren't the full story of course, especially with catchers. But looking at the body of work, I am not sure Nieto is any better as a total package than Kevan Smith would be. Similar hit and OBP results, Smith more power, Smith better contact rate, similar CS% numbers, and defensively I think Nieto may be at best only slightly better. And Nieto has had 3 more years to develop. Why are people convinced Nieto is ready for the majors and Smith isn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 10:25 AM) I just want to point this out, something to think about... Adrian Nieto last year, age 23, 6th MiLB year, High A: .282/.371/.446, 11 HR, 18.3% K/PA Kevan Smith last year, age 24, 3rd MiLB year, High A: .286/.370/.484, 12 HR, 14.9% K/PA Offensively, I am not convinced Nieto is any better than Smith at this point. In fact I'm fairly sure I'd take Smith's bat over Nieto. Defensively, Smith was considered raw, but also has improved and there are positive reports about his pitcher handling. His CS% in 2012 (2013 I can't find) was 33%, and he had 14 PB in 92 games. Nieto is considered better defensively overall, and the pitchers seem to like him in camp (which is big), but.... His CS% in 2012 (I can't find 2013 data) was 32%. He had 14 PB in 85 games. Numbers aren't the full story of course, especially with catchers. But looking at the body of work, I am not sure Nieto is any better as a total package than Kevan Smith would be. Similar hit and OBP results, Smith more power, Smith better contact rate, similar CS% numbers, and defensively I think Nieto may be at best only slightly better. Why are people convinced Nieto is ready for the majors and Smith isn't? People are convinced that the only way we keep Nieto is by stashing him on the MLB bench, most people would like him to be in AA to start the year. There is no risk to letting Smith develop in his own timeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 10:28 AM) People are convinced that the only way we keep Nieto is by stashing him on the MLB bench, most people would like him to be in AA to start the year. There is no risk to letting Smith develop in his own timeline. This exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 09:25 AM) I just want to point this out, something to think about... Adrian Nieto last year, age 23, 6th MiLB year, High A: .282/.371/.446, 11 HR, 18.3% K/PA Kevan Smith last year, age 24, 3rd MiLB year, High A: .286/.370/.484, 12 HR, 14.9% K/PA Offensively, I am not convinced Nieto is any better than Smith at this point. In fact I'm fairly sure I'd take Smith's bat over Nieto. Defensively, Smith was considered raw, but also has improved and there are positive reports about his pitcher handling. His CS% in 2012 (2013 I can't find) was 33%, and he had 14 PB in 92 games. Nieto is considered better defensively overall, and the pitchers seem to like him in camp (which is big), but.... His CS% in 2012 (I can't find 2013 data) was 32%. He had 14 PB in 85 games. Numbers aren't the full story of course, especially with catchers. But looking at the body of work, I am not sure Nieto is any better as a total package than Kevan Smith would be. Similar hit and OBP results, Smith more power, Smith better contact rate, similar CS% numbers, and defensively I think Nieto may be at best only slightly better. And Nieto has had 3 more years to develop. Why are people convinced Nieto is ready for the majors and Smith isn't? If your plan is to develop a Gregg Zaun or something along those lines (and yes guys like that definitely matter) then you want to take a shot on an already-defense-first-guy to develop that bat to be decent. . enough .. to be a Gregg Zaun type guy. I doubt you want to invest tons of time into making a flawed defensive catcher into a Gregg Zaun type. I also have been intrigued by Kevan Smith but in addition to the slight age difference lets remember Nieto has the switch-hitting. Nieto may not be outstanding but he ticks a lot of boxes for you. Which is worthwhile when you are investing time in a guy. Edited March 25, 2014 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 10:25 AM) I just want to point this out, something to think about... Adrian Nieto last year, age 23, 6th MiLB year, High A: .282/.371/.446, 11 HR, 18.3% K/PA Kevan Smith last year, age 24, 3rd MiLB year, High A: .286/.370/.484, 12 HR, 14.9% K/PA Offensively, I am not convinced Nieto is any better than Smith at this point. In fact I'm fairly sure I'd take Smith's bat over Nieto. Defensively, Smith was considered raw, but also has improved and there are positive reports about his pitcher handling. His CS% in 2012 (2013 I can't find) was 33%, and he had 14 PB in 92 games. Nieto is considered better defensively overall, and the pitchers seem to like him in camp (which is big), but.... His CS% in 2012 (I can't find 2013 data) was 32%. He had 14 PB in 85 games. Numbers aren't the full story of course, especially with catchers. But looking at the body of work, I am not sure Nieto is any better as a total package than Kevan Smith would be. Similar hit and OBP results, Smith more power, Smith better contact rate, similar CS% numbers, and defensively I think Nieto may be at best only slightly better. And Nieto has had 3 more years to develop. Why are people convinced Nieto is ready for the majors and Smith isn't? I think it helps that Nieto hits left-handed as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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