Would you trade for Rasmus THIS season...

[caulfield12]

 

if Viciedo is underperforming again and/or DeAza is traded, then move either Eaton or Rasmus to LF?

 

What kind of package would it take? Do we have the pieces?

 

Finally, and most importantly, would the advantages of having him in Chicago and in the organization for 2-3 months weigh at all on his decision about free agency? Would JR/Hahn/KW be willing to commit even more money to him than Abreu?

 

 

Obviously, if they wait until the offseason, the odds of signing Rasmus (assuming he's coming off another 800ish OPS season) would be somewhere between slim and NONE.

 

However, if you did have Rasmus, you'd:

 

1) Have a much better outfield defensively, with Eaton/Rasmus instead of Eaton and DeAza/Viciedo

2) Address one of the biggest offseason issues, which is LH power and balance in the line-up

 

Obviously, there's a lot of due diligence to be done after the way things ended with LaRussa in StL and the impact of Rasmus' father (sort of like the Nick Swisher situation when he was with us).

 

[Balta1701]

No. 2-3 months is not an advantage except in that you don't lose the draft pick. I'd trade the value of a 2nd round pick, either way you must pay market rate.

 

And if they were trading him, it would make much more sense for a competitive team to deal for him.

[Butter Parque]

I don't understand the fascination with Rasmus. He had a very solid year last year, but I would say a lot depends upon how he does this year. I don't think there should be any foregone conclusion that he's the player Hahn should zero in on.

[southsider2k5]

If we wanted Rasmus, we would already have him on this roster.

[caulfield12]

This is simply another version of the "acquire Santana/Jimenez/Garza, etc." ahead of time in order to set up 2015-2016 argument.

 

However, the main difference is that the purpose wouldn't be an acquisition to flip him quickly for more young assets/prospects.

 

And the fact that waiting until the off-season makes it nearly impossible for them to win an all-out bidding war.

Edited March 28, 2014 by caulfield12

[GreenSox]

No.

[caulfield12]

One of the reasons that Rasmus' name has come up a bit is because there aren't a lot of LH power-hitting options for next offseason.

 

Kendrys Morales would be the more likely sign, fwiw, after the June draft or a theoretical Dunn midseason trade.

Edited March 28, 2014 by caulfield12

[BigHurt3515]

No. why do we keep having these threads?

[LittleHurt05]

Rasmus is headed to free agency without a doubt. So no way.

[caulfield12]

No. why do we keep having these threads?

 

 

Do you have a DH solution next year besides Andy Wilkins or Viciedo?

 

DeAza?

 

It seems pretty clear they're going to have to acquire a player from another organization.

 

 

The offense isn't strong enough to go with the Kotsay/Jones approach at DH when some of the guys you're going to have to rotate in are Keppinger, L. Garcia, Sanchez or Micah Johnson. Or the back-up catcher.

 

The idea here would be more like the Freddy Garcia move, where we wouldn't have traded for him were a long-term extension not in the cards.

 

 

Adam Lind, Adam LaRoche, Melky Cabrera, Ryan Doumit and Victor Martinez are the five best options in FA for DH that can hit LH after Rasmus/Morales. That's another big reason why.

 

 

Edited March 28, 2014 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

http://www.bluejaysnation.com/news/2014/01...smus-conundrum/

 

 

UPON FURTHER REVIEW, NO...too big of a regression candidate/buying at a peak risk in the final analysis.

 

Back to the drawing board.

[southsider2k5]

No. why do we keep having these threads?

 

Opening day is right around the corner fortunately

[brian310]

No. I'd rather they signed someone like Seth Smith. Someone who can get DH at bats but can also play some outfield to give other guys days at DH. Kind of like a rotating DH, except not with Kotsay.

[beautox]

The way i see it is going into next season we have 3 positions that need to be addressed and this is how I think the front office is going to lay out the thought tree for each.

 

OF - If Viciedo hits they move him to DH to absolve some of his horrible defense if he doesn't maybe Thompson finally puts it together and we have a in house option that gets a cup of coffee at the end of the year with the prospect of taking over in the outfield. In addition to the whole in house idea even if May has as great of a year as he had in '13 he will only sniff AAA for a brief second and thats with a hyper aggressive white sox front office that time and time again loves to challenge their young hitters. If Viciedo fails and the in house options look bleak or at best opaque. I think and have been championing the idea of having Rasmus come to the south side, his age lines up really well with this core, the sox will continue to need power; especially from the left hand side and they have plenty of money to do so and most of the major market teams will not be in on his services, so the notion of a "bidding war" seems a bit silly; yes he is going to get paid but I wouldn't look to even Choo like money, Pence and a bit more. By signing him they can arrange their outfield defense to get the most out of everyone; possibly something like this Garcia LF, Rasmus CF, Eaton RF. If that falls through and Despaigne defects we could again see another highly rated cuban come to the south side even more so with the potential trade of Alexi this coming year, the only issue is he is right handed.

 

DH Viciedo? R

C ?

1B Abreu R

2B Semien R

SS Sanchez S

3B Davidson R

LF Thompson? R

CF Eaton L

RF Garcia R

 

C - Tyler Flowers is at best a back up, this needs to be addressed and i have plenty of confidence Hahn will do that by '15, lets just see if we have a major league capable back up between Flowers, Nieto, Phegley & Smith

 

DH - If viciedo is successful this is where i would pencil him in, if not hes traded or at worst non tendered next offseason. Maybe age will continue to ravage both Konerko and Dunn and we will get to see an extended look at Wilkins, if(and there are a lot of them with a rebuilding team) he gets a shot and runs with it, I wouldn't fault Hahn for letting it ride with Wilkins going into '15. Wilkins does have a legit 20+ HR bat with a solid eye. If both of those scenarios don't work out I would love to see Hahn sign someone like Morales he would be 31-33 during our "window" so to speak.

 

Add all that up with the returns that we will get by moving through all our vets coupled with another solid draft and i think the sox are looking at a farm system between 11-15 going into '15. Along with a great looking major league core that we will likely see continue to sign below market deals.

 

 

[Dick Allen]

JR and LaRussa are tight. There is no way the Sox give Rasmus big money. They could have had Rasmus for Edwin Jackson when they were desperate for a CF, but passed.

[caulfield12]

The way i see it is going into next season we have 3 positions that need to be addressed and this is how I think the front office is going to lay out the thought tree for each.

 

OF - If Viciedo hits they move him to DH to absolve some of his horrible defense if he doesn't maybe Thompson finally puts it together and we have a in house option that gets a cup of coffee at the end of the year with the prospect of taking over in the outfield. In addition to the whole in house idea even if May has as great of a year as he had in '13 he will only sniff AAA for a brief second and thats with a hyper aggressive white sox front office that time and time again loves to challenge their young hitters. If Viciedo fails and the in house options look bleak or at best opaque. I think and have been championing the idea of having Rasmus come to the south side, his age lines up really well with this core, the sox will continue to need power; especially from the left hand side and they have plenty of money to do so and most of the major market teams will not be in on his services, so the notion of a "bidding war" seems a bit silly; yes he is going to get paid but I wouldn't look to even Choo like money, Pence and a bit more. By signing him they can arrange their outfield defense to get the most out of everyone; possibly something like this Garcia LF, Rasmus CF, Eaton RF. If that falls through and Despaigne defects we could again see another highly rated cuban come to the south side even more so with the potential trade of Alexi this coming year, the only issue is he is right handed.

 

DH Viciedo? R

C ?

1B Abreu R

2B Semien R

SS Sanchez S

3B Davidson R

LF Thompson? R

CF Eaton L

RF Garcia R

 

C - Tyler Flowers is at best a back up, this needs to be addressed and i have plenty of confidence Hahn will do that by '15, lets just see if we have a major league capable back up between Flowers, Nieto, Phegley & Smith

 

DH - If viciedo is successful this is where i would pencil him in, if not hes traded or at worst non tendered next offseason. Maybe age will continue to ravage both Konerko and Dunn and we will get to see an extended look at Wilkins, if(and there are a lot of them with a rebuilding team) he gets a shot and runs with it, I wouldn't fault Hahn for letting it ride with Wilkins going into '15. Wilkins does have a legit 20+ HR bat with a solid eye. If both of those scenarios don't work out I would love to see Hahn sign someone like Morales he would be 31-33 during our "window" so to speak.

 

Add all that up with the returns that we will get by moving through all our vets coupled with another solid draft and i think the sox are looking at a farm system between 11-15 going into '15. Along with a great looking major league core that we will likely see continue to sign below market deals.

 

Because of his relatively young age, being lefthanded, being able to play CF (unlike Choo) and the fact that there are just so few appealing OF options on the market, Rasmus is going to easily get $100-125 million if he has another 850ish OPS year.

 

It would be even more shocking at this point to see Thompson put it all together, but stranger things have happened. With all the disappointment surrounding our minor league outfielders the last couple of seasons, sooner or later one of them almost has to break through by the law of averages.

Edited March 28, 2014 by caulfield12

[Butter Parque]

Because of his relatively young age, being lefthanded, being able to play CF (unlike Choo) and the fact that there are just so few appealing OF options on the market, Rasmus is going to easily get $100-125 million if he has another 850ish OPS year.

 

It would be even more shocking at this point to see Thompson put it all together, but stranger things have happened. With all the disappointment surrounding our minor league outfielders the last couple of seasons, sooner or later one of them almost has to break through by the law of averages.

 

I think it will be moot. I think its highly unlikely he puts up another .840 OPS again.

[Eminor3rd]

Gotta get team control in trades right now

[GreenSox]

Agree - he needs another big year.

Right now, career OBP of .317

[harfman77]

What is the rule about draft pick compensation? Does he need to be on the roster at the start of spring training or just by opening day?

[Kyyle23]

Because of his relatively young age, being lefthanded, being able to play CF (unlike Choo) and the fact that there are just so few appealing OF options on the market, Rasmus is going to easily get $100-125 million if he has another 850ish OPS year.

 

It would be even more shocking at this point to see Thompson put it all together, but stranger things have happened. With all the disappointment surrounding our minor league outfielders the last couple of seasons, sooner or later one of them almost has to break through by the law of averages.

 

Choo played 150 games in center last season

[Princess Dye]

.338 OBP

.501 SLG

30% k-rate

LH

 

Centerfielder Good-Year-Dunn!

[caulfield12]

Choo played 150 games in center last season

 

 

 

TERRIBLY. How many times did you see him play there? He's a RFer, playing out of position, almost as bad as Nick Swisher in CF.

 

Do you really think the Rangers are ever going to use him there? Maybe 5-6-7 games all season.

Edited March 28, 2014 by caulfield12

[2nd_city_saint787]

If we're talking about trading for guys who are FAs next year I'd rather trade for Sandoval if he's made available. Assuming they trade Dunn, Panda can rotate between DH/1B/3B.

 

Keep ADA, trade Tank. Ride it with/goinng into 2015 with....

 

Eaton

Semien

Abreu

Sandoval

Garcia

Davidson

De Aza

Catcher

SS.

[caulfield12]

If we're talking about trading for guys who are FAs next year I'd rather trade for Sandoval if he's made available. Assuming they trade Dunn, Panda can rotate between DH/1B/3B.

 

Keep ADA, trade Tank. Ride it with/goinng into 2015 with....

 

Eaton

Semien

Abreu

Sandoval

Garcia

Davidson

De Aza

Catcher

SS.

 

Assuming Sandoval has a solid, injury-free season, would you be willing to commit $100-125 million at his age and recent history?

 

You're basically signing a DH, ala Dunn, but you're going to be paying him even more than Dunn.

 

It would be different if he was capable of playing 3B everyday, but we already have Davidson, and Sandoval's not LH, either.

Edited March 29, 2014 by caulfield12