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Worst Mistake of Robin's Young Career?


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I believe Ozzie said that he was going to send Pablo Ozuna out there in Game 3 of the World Series. Can you imagine if they lost that game? That would be infuriating. In any event, I have to agree, I hate forfeiting a game, which is what we did last night when putting Garcia on the mound.

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QUOTE (Soxfest @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 04:31 PM)
Robin is one of the worst managers EVER in handling a bullpen! He has been clueless since day 1 on the job. It was not just about last night.

 

Frankly, I don't think this could be further from the truth. I don't think he always has a great feel for his bullpen, but I don't think he mismanages it too badly.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 04:46 PM)
Frankly, I don't think this could be further from the truth. I don't think he always has a great feel for his bullpen, but I don't think he mismanages it too badly.

 

Any manager will look stupid when none of his pitchers can throw strikes. Most fans realize the difference there.

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QUOTE (The Mighty Mite @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 04:53 PM)
Robin was not a good choice to begin with, he has shown no improvement in his OJT. The Sox made it worse by extending him. No way should you run out of pitchers in a 14 inning game.

 

If he had managed that game like it was going to be a 14 inning game, it would have surely been over in 9.

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QUOTE (Soxfest @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 04:31 PM)
Robin is one of the worst managers EVER in handling a bullpen! He has been clueless since day 1 on the job. It was not just about last night.

 

The bullpen, made up of rookies and reclamation projects in this rebuilding year, has a 6.38 ERA. Complaining about the manager in a game where the pitchers walk 15 is bizarre.

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He's universally regarded as a buffoon at this point.

 

And it breaks my heart, because he's a borderline hall of famer with close to a 60 WAR. To put that in perspective, Paul Konerko has a 26 WAR, Baines is at 38, etc. Ventura is legitimately one of the greatest White Sox players of all time, and I love his sooo much :crying

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QUOTE (Vance Law @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 05:01 PM)
The bullpen, made up of rookies and reclamation projects in this rebuilding year, has a 6.38 ERA. Complaining about the manager in a game where the pitchers walk 15 is bizarre.

It is not about just last night. I never said it was,not reading the whole comment is bizarre.

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QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 05:03 PM)
Nah. The 9th is Webb time. Deep down, you know this.

 

And yet he has a worse ERA than Cleto.

 

The bullpen is a pile. Nobody's supposed to care as we're not supposed to compete this year. But some early season fireworks have people hopeful, ignoring the fact that this bullpen isn't built to win.

 

If you want to blame Ventura for the bullpen's performance, I'd like to nominate him for manager of the year because Belisario pitched a scoreless 7th inning. It was a genius move deploying that terrible pitcher with (now) a 12.79 ERA at just the right moment for him to succeed.

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QUOTE (Vance Law @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 05:23 PM)
He made Jesse Crain unhittable last year. That was a good move.

Overuse hurt Crain's shoulder and he did not pitch the last 3 months of 2013 not exactly a ringing endorsement for Ventura.

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Honestly every manager will look terrible when their bullpen was terrible. I think Robin was exhausting every bullpen arm in 8th because he wanted to win and not go into extras. We don't have arms that can preserve leads.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 04:55 PM)
If he had managed that game like it was going to be a 14 inning game, it would have surely been over in 9.

 

You nailed it. He f***ed it up plain and simple. I disagreed with bringing in Downs, then I disagreed with the quick hook, but that stuff ok whatever. Letting Cleto start the 9th however is unacceptable with a rested Webb and Lindstrom.

 

That he didn't use his best two relievers until runners on in the 9th tells you everything you need to know. The game was blown at that point.

 

Robin is a disaster with his tactics, I just hope his "rah rah" s*** is something special.

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QUOTE (Vance Law @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 05:21 PM)
And yet he has a worse ERA than Cleto.

 

The bullpen is a pile. Nobody's supposed to care as we're not supposed to compete this year. But some early season fireworks have people hopeful, ignoring the fact that this bullpen isn't built to win.

 

If you want to blame Ventura for the bullpen's performance, I'd like to nominate him for manager of the year because Belisario pitched a scoreless 7th inning. It was a genius move deploying that terrible pitcher with (now) a 12.79 ERA at just the right moment for him to succeed.

As I pointed out in the other thread, Cleto's peripherals are bad, he has a good ERA at the moment on the strength of things he can't control and that will regress to the norm.

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QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 07:35 PM)
As I pointed out in the other thread, Cleto's peripherals are bad, he has a good ERA at the moment on the strength of things he can't control and that will regress to the norm.

 

The entire bullpen is awful right now. Targeting one guy doesn't make sense.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 07:53 PM)
The entire bullpen is awful right now. Targeting one guy doesn't make sense.

I'm hardly saying "Cleto is the problem of the bullpen, it's good apart from him." I'm questioning how someone with as bad a recent history as Cleto is being put in high-leverage situations, seemingly solely on the strength of his 2014 ERA, when there are clearly more sensible options.

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QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Apr 17, 2014 -> 08:15 PM)
I'm hardly saying "Cleto is the problem of the bullpen, it's good apart from him." I'm questioning how someone with as bad a recent history as Cleto is being put in high-leverage situations, seemingly solely on the strength of his 2014 ERA, when there are clearly more sensible options.

 

There is one guy who hasn't completely sucked. One. The whole bullpen has been awful this year. Like legendarily bad. There is basically no one who SHOULD be put into high leverage situations, but since baseball still requires a pitcher, you have to put someone out there.

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