greg775 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 08:45 PM) And look what has happened already in reality. Garcia out for the season, Jones out for an extended period dramatically weakening the bullpen, Lindstrom injured most of ST and poor out of the gates, Beckham hurt and hitting below .200 at AA in rehab stint, Semien seeming very much not ready, Eaton banged up, the one bullpen pitcher we did spend money on disappointing, Abreu needing coaching even about basic footwork at 1b. A couple guys have achieved, Gillaspie and Flowers and Viciedo for example, but this team is a really weak team right now. They might not be by the end of the season as these guys grow up, but this is a basement team right now. A couple guys overachieving would almost always be balanced by a couple guys struggling, and now we've got one of our pieces that destroyed his shoulder on a dive to boot. I am of the belief we could have an excellent pitching staff right now with the right bit of tinkering last offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 03:52 PM) I am of the belief we could have an excellent pitching staff right now with the right bit of tinkering last offseason. We have literally the 2nd worst pitching staff in baseball right now. A bit of tinkering would not have done it. We would have to fundamentally have changed what we were doing, and that includes not giving Johnson a shot to learn the big leagues (that he has earned), so adding 2 starters at least, as well as not relying on rookie relievers so basically 4 additional bullpen pitchers. "A bit of tinkering" = replacing 1/2 or more of the pitching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 07:57 PM) We have literally the 2nd worst pitching staff in baseball right now. A bit of tinkering would not have done it. We would have to fundamentally have changed what we were doing, and that includes not giving Johnson a shot to learn the big leagues (that he has earned), so adding 2 starters at least, as well as not relying on rookie relievers so basically 4 additional bullpen pitchers. "A bit of tinkering" = replacing 1/2 or more of the pitching staff. We already have Danks, Sale, Q for gosh sakes. Add one GOOD starter not named Paulino with the money bulging out of Jerry's pockets and a couple good relievers not named Downs and those other stiffs and what about my post isn't true?? There has to be some accountability. Four out of five starters in my scenario would be damn good starters. How many do you need?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 04:58 PM) We already have Danks, Sale, Q for gosh sakes. Add one GOOD starter not named Paulino with the money bulging out of Jerry's pockets and a couple good relievers not named Downs and those other stiffs and what about my post isn't true?? There has to be some accountability. Four out of five starters in my scenario would be damn good starters. How many do you need?? Um...5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 10:27 AM) Oh look, it is a list of the exact same crap we passed on this year. Wait a second, is Iwakuma really going to be on the open market? He was kind of the sleeper pitcher of the year last season that nobody knows about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 09:26 PM) Wait a second, is Iwakuma really going to be on the open market? He was kind of the sleeper pitcher of the year last season that nobody knows about. I think he has an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Let's face facts...there are going to be some huge offensive explosions like we've already had twice this season that remind you of 1998-99-2000, and then we're going to have our struggles with inconsistent defense, pitching (starting and bullpen) and fundamentals, guys like Abreu and Semien, for example. Obviously Santana was not going to sign a 2-3-4 year deal at the rates being offered...so he's taking the risk that he can have a dominant season for the Braves and end up with $75-105 million next offseason. And I'm not sure that we can equate success in the NL (Garza, as well) to being able to do the same thing in the American League (see Jimenez in the AL East so far). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 01:15 PM) Are you talking about World Series 2015 or World Series 2016-2018? Because that's probably what we're looking at here, optimistically. Abreu= PK Avi= Dye Davidson= Crede (hopefully) Alexei= Uribe Eaton= Pods Sale= Buehrle Jones= Cotts Pretty good foundation if you ask me...mix that with some FAs and Hawkins, maybe Thompson, Chris Beck, Micah Johnson, and guys like Zapata, high ranked international FAs (seems realistic with Paddy and going after Abreu and Tanaka) and our #3 draft pick and that may be a short lived dynasty or at the least very exciting SouthSide ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 09:32 PM) Abreu= PK Avi= Dye Davidson= Crede (hopefully) Alexei= Uribe Eaton= Pods Sale= Buehrle Jones= Cotts Pretty good foundation if you ask me...mix that with some FAs and Hawkins, maybe Thompson, Chris Beck, Micah Johnson, and guys like Zapata, high ranked international FAs (seems realistic with Paddy and going after Abreu and Tanaka) and our #3 draft pick and that may be a short lived dynasty or at the least very exciting SouthSide ball Micker Adolfo is what, 18 years old? If he's on the big league roster by 2019, that's fast moving for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 05:01 AM) I read nothing, but I'd say that the odds are not good. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 02:05 PM) I'm not surprised. Did anyone else see this scathing diss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 07:45 PM) Micker Adolfo is what, 18 years old? If he's on the big league roster by 2019, that's fast moving for him. Ya he's so young. Where's he at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 09:32 PM) Abreu= PK Avi= Dye Davidson= Crede (hopefully) Alexei= Uribe Eaton= Pods Sale= Buehrle Jones= Cotts Pretty good foundation if you ask me...mix that with some FAs and Hawkins, maybe Thompson, Chris Beck, Micah Johnson, and guys like Zapata, high ranked international FAs (seems realistic with Paddy and going after Abreu and Tanaka) and our #3 draft pick and that may be a short lived dynasty or at the least very exciting SouthSide ball I am gonna go ahead and say maybe two thirds of these things actually pan out that way (or similarly). Then you have the rest of the roster to worry about. Basically, I will be shocked if they actually contend for the WS title next year. Not saying they won't be decent-to-good, but we're not even sure what we have in our 2014 youngsters, let alone projecting down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 10:27 PM) Ya he's so young. Where's he at? I am guessing extended spring training, but I haven't heard anything for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 11:46 PM) I am guessing extended spring training, but I haven't heard anything for sure. pretty sure he is, hopefully he doesn't bust out, have faith in him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Apr 22, 2014 -> 08:49 PM) pretty sure he is, hopefully he doesn't bust out, have faith in him The kid is 17. We have YEARS to just forget he is even in the system. To put it in perspective, he could debut in 2020, and he would still only be 23 years odl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 23, 2014 -> 08:21 AM) The kid is 17. We have YEARS to just forget he is even in the system. To put it in perspective, he could debut in 2020, and he would still only be 23 years odl. The Sox web site lists him as prospect #15 with an ETA of 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 QUOTE (oldsox @ Apr 23, 2014 -> 10:05 AM) The Sox web site lists him as prospect #15 with an ETA of 2016. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 QUOTE (oldsox @ Apr 23, 2014 -> 10:05 AM) The Sox web site lists him as prospect #15 with an ETA of 2016. Mistake #1, reading the White Sox website for prospect information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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