Marty34 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Apr 19, 2014 -> 09:16 PM) Abreu is relatively young, costs no talent, is controlled for the long term, and has sky high upside by all accounts. You are not paying a premium for past performance (see: non-Latin American free agents). He would be considered part of the core, not a peripheral/secondary piece. Same goes for Tanaka, within reason. The Yankees, of course, are rarely reasonable. This criterea for spending money is too narrow when you have a farm system as empty as the Sox have. They're going to lose whatever advantage the Abreu and Sale contracts give them if they wait for this system to fill a hole or two before spending money. Why are posters so against spending money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 09:04 AM) And he is clearly only signed to a one year deal, and not a six. Wait, so you agree with Marty that after signing him the White Sox were ready to field a competitive team this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 10:01 AM) This criterea for spending money is too narrow when you have a farm system as empty as the Sox have. They're going to lose whatever advantage the Abreu and Sale contracts give them if they wait for this system to fill a hole or two before spending money. Why are posters so against spending money? We're not. We're against spending it at a stupid time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 10:03 AM) We're not. We're against spending it at a stupid time. 1-year contracts must be the new market inefficiency the Sox will exploit when the time to spend isn't stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 11:10 AM) 1-year contracts must be the new market inefficiency the Sox will exploit when the time to spend isn't stupid. Why would the White Sox sign people to 1 year contracts to build a competitive team? You sign people to limited contracts when you have a team filled with rookies so that you can trade guys and avoid strangling yourself in the future. You turn that around and risk the longer-term deals when you have a team that could be competitive if it filled its last 1-2 holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 10:02 AM) Wait, so you agree with Marty that after signing him the White Sox were ready to field a competitive team this year? Not for a second. The contract made sense because it was a six year deal, and not a 1/2/3 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 11:20 AM) Not for a second. The contract made sense because it was a six year deal, and not a 1/2/3 year deal. Then why did you comment to me when I was pointing out basically the same point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 10:26 AM) Then why did you comment to me when I was pointing out basically the same point? [agreeing with your point] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 09:01 AM) This criterea for spending money is too narrow when you have a farm system as empty as the Sox have. They're going to lose whatever advantage the Abreu and Sale contracts give them if they wait for this system to fill a hole or two before spending money. Why are posters so against spending money? You're right, but we need to spend that money on impact players and not marginal free agents. The guys you wanted to add would have made the team better, but not that much better and would have eaten our financial flexibility going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 01:07 PM) You're right, but we need to spend that money on impact players and not marginal free agents. The guys you wanted to add would have made the team better, but not that much better and would have eaten our financial flexibility going forward. Impact free-agents are out of the Sox price range so I don't know what we are saving the financial flexibility for and there's not a lot of help coming from the farm anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 04:16 PM) Impact free-agents are out of the Sox price range so I don't know what we are saving the financial flexibility for and there's not a lot of help coming from the farm anytime soon. If you don't spend needless dollars now, this is untrue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 03:45 PM) If you don't spend needless dollars now, this is untrue. Last impact free agent the Sox signed was Albert Belle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 10:15 AM) Why would the White Sox sign people to 1 year contracts to build a competitive team? You sign people to limited contracts when you have a team filled with rookies so that you can trade guys and avoid strangling yourself in the future. You turn that around and risk the longer-term deals when you have a team that could be competitive if it filled its last 1-2 holes. The stars have to align perfectly (farm system be producing players) for a team to add the final piece or two via free agency. Edited April 20, 2014 by Marty34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 05:31 PM) Last impact free agent the Sox signed was Jose Abreu. fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 05:31 PM) Last impact free agent the Sox signed was Albert Belle. Jermaine Dye never did a thing for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 05:32 PM) fixed That was so completely obvious to anyone but some quality trolling work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I hope you're right about Abreu SS2K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 07:29 PM) I hope you're right about Abreu SS2K. Quitting on the guy already? That has to be a new record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 08:31 PM) Quitting on the guy already? That has to be a new record. Well to be fair, he is cuban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 07:45 PM) Well to be fair, he is cuban. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Hanson didn't have a very good first start at AAA. 3BBs 4 runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 05:45 PM) Jermaine Dye never did a thing for this team. Neither did AJ Pierzynski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 07:53 PM) Hanson didn't have a very good first start at AAA. 3BBs 4 runs. I want to know how he looks after 3 or 4 starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 QUOTE (oldsox @ Apr 20, 2014 -> 05:30 AM) No, it was not a smart move, quite the contrary. Expecting him to fail, as you put it, and then watching him fail, is not a smart move. Financially, it was certainly not a smart move. Colossal waste of money. It doesn't do anyone, teammates included, fans included, any good to watch that kind of performance. It makes someone look to be a very poor judge of talent. Not a smart move. Now if he had a non guaranteed conmtract, like Boggs, it might not have looked so bad. The only smart move was by Paulino's agent. It would be smarter to have an 11 man staff, since the FO long ago made the decision to carry 3 FB/DH. If there's any bad move that is even worse, it's Scott Downs. Why pay a LHR that much money when it seem to be much more important to replace Reed than Matt Thornton in the overall scheme of things. Of course, they believed that Jones/Lindstrom/Webb all the ability to be closers (one would assume), but it was still a strange allocation of resources. They could simply have used Purcey, or Veal, or just kept throwing things at the wall until one of them stuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Dan Hayes @DanHayesCSN 4m Felipe Paulino said he could head out on a rehab assignment this weekend. #WhiteSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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