Hammer away, i DONT care but............

[Bmr31]

Bulls***. Sox play to the level of their competition. Good thing we play good teams down the stretch.

If you think that theory is going to keep working with the pressure on, i think you are mistaken. Your theory has a HUGE hole in it. What reason do you give for the sox beating the better teams? Theyre up for them right? Ummm we are tied for 1st place with 30 or less games to go, if we arent up for all these games, theres something wrong. Nice theory though.

[Cerbaho-WG]

If you think that theory is going to keep working with the pressure on, i think you are mistaken. Your theory has a HUGE hole in it.  What reason do you give for the sox beating the better teams?  Theyre up for them right?  Ummm we are tied for 1st place with 30 or less games to go, if we arent up for all these games, theres something wrong. Nice theory though.

And yours too, that two games will decide the entire season.

 

Sit down.

[Bmr31]

And yours too, that two games will decide the entire season.

 

Sit down.

LOL watch and learn son. IF and thats a big if, the sox lose these next two games, its over. Buh bye......

[IlliniBob72]

And yours too, that two games will decide the entire season.

 

Sit down.

LOL watch and learn son. IF and thats a big if, the sox lose these next two games, its over. Buh bye......

They'd be down at most 2 games with series left with both teams and they'd be through, you say? That's just brilliant.

[Bmr31]

And yours too, that two games will decide the entire season.

 

Sit down.

LOL watch and learn son. IF and thats a big if, the sox lose these next two games, its over. Buh bye......

They'd be down at most 2 games with series left with both teams and they'd be through, you say? That's just brilliant.

Actually its just not ignorant like the opposing people of this theory. Many of you need a SERIOUS lesson in psychology. Mental state is MUCH more important than any number you can throw out. One day some of you will look past the obvious. A 2 year old can look at the standings and see oh wow theres 27 games left and we are only 2 out, we are in iT!! Big boys and girls can look beyond that, to more important things, like mental states, or attitiude, or heart, desire, passion. The sox arent going to lose the next two. However, if they do, they dont have what it takes to win this division. It would become obvious to the big boys and girls. You can tell which posters on this board think for a living and those who take orders for a living.

[Bmr31]

I understand the Sox need to get up for all of these games, but the rest of the season we have games with big teams, so hopefully we should win most of them.

Okay, great. Why didnt we win yesterday? If we lose today, what will be your excuse for today? These are HUUUUGE games.

[Bmr31]

your missing what im trying to get across. I understand we played like s*** yesturday, matter fact, all season against the Tigers. I dont have an anwser why Mark get shelled, or why we cant getup for Tampa, Detriot, and others, BUT what im trying to get across is we play Boston NY, Kc Minny, all down the stretch, who we have faired well against.

BUT your theory doesnt make sense. Your reasoning for us beating the better teams is we get up for the better teams. Well explain to me why the sox are up for detriot right now? These are huge games and they know it.

[IlliniBob72]

And yours too, that two games will decide the entire season.

 

Sit down.

LOL watch and learn son. IF and thats a big if, the sox lose these next two games, its over. Buh bye......

They'd be down at most 2 games with series left with both teams and they'd be through, you say? That's just brilliant.

Actually its just not ignorant like the opposing people of this theory. Many of you need a SERIOUS lesson in psychology. Mental state is MUCH more important than any number you can throw out. One day some of you will look past the obvious. A 2 year old can look at the standings and see oh wow theres 27 games left and we are only 2 out, we are in iT!! Big boys and girls can look beyond that, to more important things, like mental states, or attitiude, or heart, desire, passion. The sox arent going to lose the next two. However, if they do, they dont have what it takes to win this division. It would become obvious to the big boys and girls. You can tell which posters on this board think for a living and those who take orders for a living.

hahaha Whatever you say, chief. You're right, the Sox have never put together a winning streak after losing 4 in a row. Oh wait...they won 6 in a row after losing 5 in a row just a few weeks ago. Silly me.

 

Anymore psychology lessons for us?

[Bmr31]

And yours too, that two games will decide the entire season.

 

Sit down.

LOL watch and learn son. IF and thats a big if, the sox lose these next two games, its over. Buh bye......

They'd be down at most 2 games with series left with both teams and they'd be through, you say? That's just brilliant.

Actually its just not ignorant like the opposing people of this theory. Many of you need a SERIOUS lesson in psychology. Mental state is MUCH more important than any number you can throw out. One day some of you will look past the obvious. A 2 year old can look at the standings and see oh wow theres 27 games left and we are only 2 out, we are in iT!! Big boys and girls can look beyond that, to more important things, like mental states, or attitiude, or heart, desire, passion. The sox arent going to lose the next two. However, if they do, they dont have what it takes to win this division. It would become obvious to the big boys and girls. You can tell which posters on this board think for a living and those who take orders for a living.

hahaha Whatever you say, chief. You're right, the Sox have never put together a winning streak after losing 4 in a row. Oh wait...they won 6 in a row after losing 5 in a row just a few weeks ago. Silly me.

 

Anymore psychology lessons for us?

Nah because you arent capable of learning. Thats okay though, it doesnt mean youre not a good person.

[Bmr31]

I have no idea?!?! Its not just now, its all season. Its nothing new. WHY DO U THINK???

Well, id like to hold off to see if they win today. My theory is this team is just mentally weak. If they are motivated theyre good, if they arent motivated , they are horrible. Why arent they motivated against Detroit now thats its a huge game? Because they are pouting cuz theyre mad at JM for not going with Buehrle. Any little thing throws this team off. The sad thing is, it will happen again.

[Bmr31]

And yours too, that two games will decide the entire season.

 

Sit down.

LOL watch and learn son. IF and thats a big if, the sox lose these next two games, its over. Buh bye......

They'd be down at most 2 games with series left with both teams and they'd be through, you say? That's just brilliant.

Actually its just not ignorant like the opposing people of this theory. Many of you need a SERIOUS lesson in psychology. Mental state is MUCH more important than any number you can throw out. One day some of you will look past the obvious. A 2 year old can look at the standings and see oh wow theres 27 games left and we are only 2 out, we are in iT!! Big boys and girls can look beyond that, to more important things, like mental states, or attitiude, or heart, desire, passion. The sox arent going to lose the next two. However, if they do, they dont have what it takes to win this division. It would become obvious to the big boys and girls. You can tell which posters on this board think for a living and those who take orders for a living.

hahaha Whatever you say, chief. You're right, the Sox have never put together a winning streak after losing 4 in a row. Oh wait...they won 6 in a row after losing 5 in a row just a few weeks ago. Silly me.

 

Anymore psychology lessons for us?

Nah because you arent capable of learning. Thats okay though, it doesnt mean youre not a good person.

Thats such a bulls*** cop out. C'mon, lets here it, i want to here what you think, i could be wrong.

Uh, you know how to read, my theory is laid out all over the board, including this thread. read them. My response to him was just sarcasm.

[Bmr31]

That goes with anything, if a team, or even someone isnt motivated to do something,its not going to get done at 100%. Plain and simple. In sports its part of the game. All that pussy cry baby s*** shouldnt happen, but sports is filled with pre-madanos and thats the bottom line.

No. It goes with mental weakness. You never see good teams let distractions cause them to lose. THis is just my theory, i have no proof. If you want proof, talk to HSC, she has proof that actually backs up my beliefs. The sox are pouting right now.

[whitesox247]

I smell another 10 page thread.

[Bmr31]

In what way?

Youll have to ask her, i havent seen the proof, nor do i need to.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Are the #'s with us to win the next 2?

Garland @ Comerica : 7ip, 2.57 era

Moroth @ Comerica: 78ip, 5.06 era. , has beaten the SOX twice this yr at the Cell giving up 8 runs total

 

Adv: Garland

 

Cornejo @ Comerica : 68ip, 4.74 era, 14 ip, 1 er vs SOX this yr

Loaiza @ Comerica : 16ip, 0.56 era, 1W - 1L

 

Slight Adv: Loaiza

 

Me not worried.

[Bmr31]

Are the #'s with us to win the next 2?

Garland @ Comerica : 7ip, 2.57 era

Moroth @ Comerica:  78ip, 5.06 era. , has beaten the SOX twice this yr at the Cell giving up 8 runs total

 

Adv: Garland

 

Cornejo @ Comerica : 68ip, 4.74 era,  14 ip, 1 er vs SOX this yr

Loaiza @ Comerica : 16ip, 0.56 era, 1W - 1L

 

Slight Adv: Loaiza

 

Me not worried. 

[JUGGERNAUT]

Manuel should have played the DET series by the numbers.

Buerhle had not pitched in DET all yr & yielded 4R he last time he faced them at the Cell. It's true 3/4 were unearned but those runs still count.

 

Garland on the other hand pitched 7in earlier in DET yeilding 1 run.

When you consider Garland's overall #'s @ Comerica he was the obvious choice to start that series.

 

Having pitched last on Sun, Fri would have been a start on 4 days rest.

So you have the 2nd best pitcher on your staff @ Comerica opening that series.

 

This is the difference betw having a GOOD mgr & a BAD mgr.

 

MB should have pitched in NY, Garland should have opened in DET, & Cotts should be going against Moroth tonight. Moroth has a 5.06 era @ Comerica. Cotts gives up very few long balls. As long as he's throwing more strikes than balls he should succeed there.

 

If you don't like Cotts, then Wright's an obvious choice. He has a 3.86era @ Comerica this year & a 2.42era there over his career.

 

NOW DON'T GIVE ME ANY MORE SHEIT THAT MANUEL'S A GOOD MANAGER!

Even the numbers tell what we already know : HE MADE A VERY BAD DUMB ARSE MOVE with the rotation these past 3 games.

 

Hopefully the team will once again pick up the slack for his lack of smarts.

[Bmr31]

Manuel should have played the DET series by the numbers.

Buerhle had not pitched in DET all yr & yielded 4R he last time he faced them at the Cell. It's true 3/4 were unearned but those runs still count.

 

Garland on the other hand pitched 7in earlier in DET yeilding 1 run.

When you consider Garland's overall #'s @ Comerica he was the obvious choice to start that series.

 

Having pitched last on Sun, Fri would have been a start on 4 days rest.

So you have the 2nd best pitcher on your staff @ Comerica opening that series.

 

This is the difference betw having a GOOD mgr & a BAD mgr.

 

MB should have pitched in NY, Garland should have opened in DET, & Cotts should be going against Moroth tonight.  Moroth has a 5.06 era @ Comerica.  Cotts gives up very few long balls.  As long as he's throwing more strikes than balls he should succeed there.

 

If you don't like Cotts, then Wright's an obvious choice.  He has a 3.86era @ Comerica this year & a 2.42era there over his career.

 

NOW DON'T GIVE ME ANY MORE SHEIT THAT MANUEL'S A GOOD MANAGER!

Even the numbers tell what we already know : HE MADE A VERY BAD DUMB ARSE MOVE with the rotation these past 3 games.

 

Hopefully the team will once again pick up the slack for his lack of smarts.

Preach on brotha.

[YASNY]

You know, this "theory" about if the Sox lose the next two games they're done, is just that.... theory. They could be down, then someone hit a clutch walkoff homer and be right back on a roll. If they lose this division because they are "pouting" then we need to back up the damn truck.

[Guest hotsoxchick1]

You know, this "theory" about if the Sox lose the next two games they're done, is just that.... theory.  They could be down, then someone hit a clutch walkoff homer and be right back on a roll.  If they lose this division because they are "pouting" then we need to back up the damn truck.

if they lose the divisioin its because they are pouting about moves that a certian manager makes.........they have a wishey washey management team right now and they are only doing what they want to do( the management team) and not what makes the less noise in the clubhouse... let me go on record now as saying that the clubhouse members have marks back on the decision and how it was handled for the new york game........period.........and yea i have strong enough proof to back that up.........

[IlliniBob72]

if they lose the divisioin its because they are pouting about moves that a certian manager makes.........they have a wishey washey management team right now and they are only doing what they want to do( the management team) and  not what makes the less noise in the clubhouse... let me go on record now as saying that the clubhouse members have marks back on the decision and how it was handled for the new  york game........period.........and yea i have strong enough proof to back that up.........

Management shouldn't be making decisions based on what will make the players happiest. They should be doing what they feel will help them win games, which is what they're doing. These guys are professionals and should be able to handle things. It seems like everyone did but MB.

 

And why does anybody need to have "Mark's back"? He wasn't screwed over. He wasn't pushed back in the rotation. He wasn't skipped. It's a non-issue. If there should be an issue in the clubhouse, it should be why MB laid an egg in Detroit.

[Bmr31]

Management shouldn't be making decisions based on what will make the players happiest. They should be doing what they feel will help them win games, which is what they're doing. These guys are professionals and should be able to handle things. It seems like everyone did but MB.

 

And why does anybody need to have "Mark's back"? He wasn't screwed over. He wasn't pushed back in the rotation. He wasn't skipped. It's a non-issue. If there should be an issue in the clubhouse, it should be why MB laid an egg in Detroit.

Its called pyschology. CHeck into it. last time i checked, when employees are happy, they perform better.

[IlliniBob72]

Management shouldn't be making decisions based on what will make the players happiest. They should be doing what they feel will help them win games, which is what they're doing. These guys are professionals and should be able to handle things. It seems like everyone did but MB.

 

And why does anybody need to have "Mark's back"? He wasn't screwed over. He wasn't pushed back in the rotation. He wasn't skipped. It's a non-issue. If there should be an issue in the clubhouse, it should be why MB laid an egg in Detroit.

Its called pyschology. CHeck into it. last time i checked, when employees are happy, they perform better.

You should check into management. What would you have JM and KW do, take a team vote before they make a decision? Believe me, if JM stood in front of reporters and said that yeah, it was a s***ty decision, but that's what my players wanted, he'd be crucified. Unless you feel that he should do what his players want him to do, and then when it blows up, take full responsibility. A baseball team, like any workplace, is not a democracy.

 

"Hey guys, do you think I should call for a hit and run here, a bunt, or just swing away? I wouldn't want to make a call that makes you unhappy."

[Bmr31]

Management shouldn't be making decisions based on what will make the players happiest. They should be doing what they feel will help them win games, which is what they're doing. These guys are professionals and should be able to handle things. It seems like everyone did but MB.

 

And why does anybody need to have "Mark's back"? He wasn't screwed over. He wasn't pushed back in the rotation. He wasn't skipped. It's a non-issue. If there should be an issue in the clubhouse, it should be why MB laid an egg in Detroit.

Its called pyschology. CHeck into it. last time i checked, when employees are happy, they perform better.

You should check into management. What would you have JM and KW do, take a team vote before they make a decision? Believe me, if JM stood in front of reporters and said that yeah, it was a s***ty decision, but that's what my players wanted, he'd be crucified. Unless you feel that he should do what his players want him to do, and then when it blows up, take full responsibility. A baseball team, like any workplace, is not a democracy.

 

"Hey guys, do you think I should call for a hit and run here, a bunt, or just swing away? I wouldn't want to make a call that makes you unhappy."

LOL uh ok, its only what i do for a living, but thanks for the advice.

[IlliniBob72]

Management shouldn't be making decisions based on what will make the players happiest. They should be doing what they feel will help them win games, which is what they're doing. These guys are professionals and should be able to handle things. It seems like everyone did but MB.

 

And why does anybody need to have "Mark's back"? He wasn't screwed over. He wasn't pushed back in the rotation. He wasn't skipped. It's a non-issue. If there should be an issue in the clubhouse, it should be why MB laid an egg in Detroit.

Its called pyschology. CHeck into it. last time i checked, when employees are happy, they perform better.

You should check into management. What would you have JM and KW do, take a team vote before they make a decision? Believe me, if JM stood in front of reporters and said that yeah, it was a s***ty decision, but that's what my players wanted, he'd be crucified. Unless you feel that he should do what his players want him to do, and then when it blows up, take full responsibility. A baseball team, like any workplace, is not a democracy.

 

"Hey guys, do you think I should call for a hit and run here, a bunt, or just swing away? I wouldn't want to make a call that makes you unhappy."

LOL uh ok, its only what i do for a living, but thanks for the advice.

Really? I'm surprised. So, that's what you do? "Jim is always late and never gets his work done on time. But...he's a pretty popular guy, so we'd better keep him around. No, wait...let's take a poll first before we make a decision."

 

I'm not talking about imposing a 9 pm curfew, but management can't be worried about upsetting the staff with every decision, especially something as silly as not shuffling the rotation. To blame management for Mark Buerhle giving up 5 runs in the first 2 innings is ludicrous and/or scapegoating.