Rowand44 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:39 PM) How horrendous was Viciedo's error on a scale of 1 to 10? Lost it in the lights? Overran? Just a misplay? Whiffed? Juggled? Just plain dropped the ball. Hit his glove and to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 09:37 PM) Tank needs to be in left field, where he's less awful. You're really going to play DeAza or Eaton in RF? That's an even worse idea. Or you want Danks to play everyday, with Viciedo and Dunn DHing? Hard to give up Viciedo's bat, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:39 PM) How horrendous was Viciedo's error on a scale of 1 to 10? Lost it in the lights? Overran? Just a misplay? Whiffed? Juggled? A 7 for the drop, add 3 for failing to pick the ball up first time like he does a hell of a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:38 PM) Um yes? Suicide squeezes are completely on the manager. And at some point management has to take blame when we fail the same basic routine over...And over...And over...And over...And over...again with many different players. While I do find RockRaines completely condesending right now, I can't figure out how you blame ANYONE for that perfectly executed suicide squeeze? That's a basehit against any team, in any situation that doesn't call for a drawn-in infield. There isn't a single thing Robin could have done other than put Semien in on bunt defense, which would be suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 03:39 AM) He's literally just dropped 3 balls these last 3 games. I'm certainly not disagreeing that he's better in left but that shouldn't have mattered with these drops. Yeah, it's a tough situation because it's hard to imagine continuing to put him out there if he simply can't catch the ball. However, that's exactly what they need to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (DashFan @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:34 PM) We didn't have the lead. You don't take one of your best hitters out of the game in a 3-3 tie. Hindsight is always 20/20, etc. You're right about that. It was just a physical error at a bad time. It sucks, but these things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 03:41 AM) While I do find RockRaines completely condesending right now, I can't figure out how you blame ANYONE for that perfectly executed suicide squeeze? That's a basehit against any team, in any situation that doesn't call for a drawn-in infield. There isn't a single thing Robin could have done other than put Semien in on bunt defense, which would be suspect. I didn't blame him for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:38 PM) Maybe I'm wrong here, but Semien hasn't looked good on bunts. A good manager needs to know what his players are capable of. Therefore, that play was both bad managing and bad execution. Holaday didn't get the squeeze sign. And Ventura isn't going anywhere during a rebuild so anyone who continues to think that's going to happen should just give up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:39 PM) How horrendous was Viciedo's error on a scale of 1 to 10? Lost it in the lights? Overran? Just a misplay? Whiffed? Juggled? Not only did he drop a flyball in his glove, but then he failed to pick up the ball which allowed Jackson to reach 3B, which set up the suicide squeeze. He could have gotten one of those 2 mistakes right and we may still be in a tie ball game right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Who's the last player our system produced who could actually bunt with any degree of confidence? Maybe Getz? Part of it's a symptom of the times, but geez, you'd think we would want to have one Japanese/Korean player (like Iguchi) who could actually set an example of how to do something so simple that most of us learned in Little League. Maybe coaches are afraid their best high school/college hitters will break their fingers or foul the ball off their face, but it has gotten ridiculous the last 20 years as a lost art in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 09:43 PM) Not only did he drop a flyball in his glove, but then he failed to pick up the ball which allowed Jackson to reach 3B, which set up the suicide squeeze. He could have gotten one of those 2 mistakes right and we may still be in a tie ball game right now. That's the second time now he's allowed an extra base with lackadaisical recovery....the other time, he assumed Beckham would get it, but Gordon had already careened off in another direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:44 PM) Who's the last player our system produced who could actually bunt with any degree of confidence? Maybe Getz? Part of it's a symptom of the times, but geez, you'd think we would want to have one Japanese/Korean player (like Iguchi) who could actually set an example of how to do something so simple that most of us learned in Little League. Maybe coaches are afraid their best high school/college hitters will break their fingers or foul the ball off their face, but it has gotten ridiculous the last 20 years as a lost art in the game. Eaton is one of the best bunters around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:44 PM) Who's the last player our system produced who could actually bunt with any degree of confidence? Maybe Getz? Part of it's a symptom of the times, but geez, you'd think we would want to have one Japanese/Korean player (like Iguchi) who could actually set an example of how to do something so simple that most of us learned in Little League. Maybe coaches are afraid their best high school/college hitters will break their fingers or foul the ball off their face, but it has gotten ridiculous the last 20 years as a lost art in the game. Bunting is the dumbest play in baseball IMO. I detest it outside of a leadoff hitter who gets on base that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:40 PM) Ventura called for the suicide squeeze. Semien fails miserably. Detroit then calls one against us and it was beautiful for them unfortunately. It wasn't a suicide squeeze though, that's why I'm not positive if that was Robin. It probably was but it could have been Marcus on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:43 PM) Holaday didn't get the squeeze sign. And Ventura isn't going anywhere during a rebuild so anyone who continues to think that's going to happen should just give up now. I'm not blaming Ventura for the loss, but putting a player in a position to fail should go against the manager. Can't just blame the player for a lack of execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 03:45 AM) Bunting is the dumbest play in baseball IMO. I detest it outside of a leadoff hitter who gets on base that way. Agreed...heck, even the bunt by Semien that ended up being a big play in Sunday's game would have taken the bat out of Abreu's hands if it was fielded correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:46 PM) I'm not blaming Ventura for the loss, but putting a player in a position to fail should go against the manager. Can't just blame the player for a lack of execution. I hate that play regardless, but you still have to execute if you are called upon as a pro But it's still dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:45 PM) Eaton is one of the best bunters around Eaton came from Arizona....like...5 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:48 PM) Eaton came from Arizona....like...5 months ago. I'm also positive he knew how to bunt prior to getting drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:41 PM) You're really going to play DeAza or Eaton in RF? That's an even worse idea. Or you want Danks to play everyday, with Viciedo and Dunn DHing? Hard to give up Viciedo's bat, isn't it? De Aza came up as a CFer with LA and Florida. I don't know where this idea that De Aza is absolutely terrible at defense (even worse than Viciedo) came from. His UZR and DRS at the corner outfield positions have been solid. He was never a good CFer, but you could live with his shortcomings without wanting to tear your hair out. Edited April 30, 2014 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Can somebody tell me why Marcus was moved from the 2-hole and Gordo and his immaculate Buck-something BA was there? Just got home... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:48 PM) Eaton came from Arizona....like...5 months ago. Ah crap, didn't read the thing about coming through our system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Wanne @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:51 PM) Can somebody tell me why Marcus was moved from the 2-hole and Gordo and his immaculate Buck-something BA was there? Just got home... I don't know, it was real odd. It happened over the weekend for some weird reason. Gordon had been hitting the ball hard, but the results weren't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Wanne @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 03:51 AM) Can somebody tell me why Marcus was moved from the 2-hole and Gordo and his immaculate Buck-something BA was there? Just got home... I don't think Robin trusts Semien too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:56 PM) I don't think Robin trusts Semien too much. meh...or maybe it's just a house showing. Hard to buy that fact.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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