Sox pitching by the numbers...

[southsider2k5]

Some interesting numbers for Sox pitching to this point in the season.

 

Overall ERA 28th- 4.91

Starters ERA 28th- 5.01

Relievers ERA 26th- 4.74

Walks 30th- 125 (next is TOR with 108)

K's 28th - 171

Hits allowed 28th - 249

Forced GIDP 2nd - 28

WP 29th - 19

GB outs 4th - 279

HR against 6th- 19

[Dunt]

Buzz, your girlfriend, woof

[flavum]

14 quality starts. 9-5 record in those games.

 

We need Sale back....soon.

[elrockinMT]

Did anyone really foresee such a bad start for team pitching? I know some were concerned about the bullpen

[T R U]

Did anyone really foresee such a bad start for team pitching? I know some were concerned about the bullpen

 

Everyone should have foreseen this unless they just assumed Paulino, Johnson, and Danks were going to be solid options.. We all knew the bullpen was a concern.

[hi8is]

Everyone should have foreseen this unless they just assumed Paulino, Johnson, and Danks were going to be solid options.. We all knew the bullpen was a concern.

Danks has been solid and should have rightly been expected to preform at this level. No one had reason to suspect Johnson to be this horrid. Paulino and the pen where always major points of contention and rightfully so.

 

Some of the issues should have been foreseen but no one could have speculated it to be this horrific.

[greg775]

They say pitching and defense wins games, so when do the Sox start to plummet? It seemed the bullpen wasn't quite as bad against the Rays.

[southsider2k5]

Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan 4m

 

White Sox bullpen has thrown 8.0 scoreless innings over last 3 games, has 2.31 ERA over the last 10.

[Princess Dye]

Interesting, in the sense that a visit to the morgue can be interesting. But in all seriousness..i think some return to the mean is in order with this pen and it apparently has started up

[T R U]

Danks has been solid and should have rightly been expected to preform at this level. No one had reason to suspect Johnson to be this horrid. Paulino and the pen where always major points of contention and rightfully so.

 

Some of the issues should have been foreseen but no one could have speculated it to be this horrific.

 

Danks has not been solid, hes not striking people out and hes walking too many. Its going to catch up to him eventually. All we had was a small sample of Johnson at the major league level. I didn't think he would be outright terrible but I also didn't think he was a lock to be a good starter either. Paulino was a huge question mark, there was no reason what so ever to think a guy who hadn't pitched in the majors since 2012 was going to come in and be a solid contributor to the rotation.

 

I agree that thinking it was going to be horrific wasn't on anyone's mind, but its not shocking that the pitching has been struggling thus far. We had a patch work bullpen and only two starting pitchers who you would say are rock solid reliable.

[Balta1701]

Danks has not been solid, hes not striking people out and hes walking too many. Its going to catch up to him eventually. All we had was a small sample of Johnson at the major league level. I didn't think he would be outright terrible but I also didn't think he was a lock to be a good starter either. Paulino was a huge question mark, there was no reason what so ever to think a guy who hadn't pitched in the majors since 2012 was going to come in and be a solid contributor to the rotation.

 

I agree that thinking it was going to be horrific wasn't on anyone's mind, but its not shocking that the pitching has been struggling thus far. We had a patch work bullpen and only two starting pitchers who you would say are rock solid reliable.

It also would not be shocking at all if this rotation (and bullpen) managed to improve during the season. In fact, with 2 guys coming off injury and a couple rookies as well just in the starters, that's kind of exactly what we should have hoped for.

[T R U]

It also would not be shocking at all if this rotation (and bullpen) managed to improve during the season. In fact, with 2 guys coming off injury and a couple rookies as well just in the starters, that's kind of exactly what we should have hoped for.

 

Of course it wouldn't, were 27 games into the season.

[Balta1701]

Of course it wouldn't, were 27 games into the season.

Took less time than that for some people to declare that Paulino and Johnson were complete lost-causes.

[T R U]

Took less time than that for some people to declare that Paulino and Johnson were complete lost-causes.

 

Paulino is absolutely a lost cause. Hes never been good, one outlier year that he ended up with a mid 4 era, everything else is putrid and having any faith that he was going to come in here with a year layoff and be useful was foolish thinking.

 

No one should be jumping the gun on Johnson, but he was awful up here to start the year. No reason to think he cant get it together. Paulino on the other hand, he has no business seeing the active roster again.

[Ozzie Ball]

Some interesting numbers for Sox pitching to this point in the season.

 

Overall ERA 28th- 4.91

Starters ERA 28th- 5.01

Relievers ERA 26th- 4.74

Walks 30th- 125 (next is TOR with 108)

K's 28th - 171

Hits allowed 28th - 249

Forced GIDP 2nd - 28

WP 29th - 19

GB outs 4th - 279

HR against 6th- 19

 

Some more stats

 

Overall:

FIP 28th- 4.33

xFIP 30th- 4.67

SIERA 30th- 4.66

 

Starters:

FIP 25th- 4.36

xFIP 29th- 4.53

SIERA 29th- 4.59

 

Relievers:

FIP 23rd- 4.37

xFIP 30th- 4.91

SIERA 30th- 4.75

 

xFIP and SIERA are two of the best stats for correlation to future ERA, with SIERA marginally better than xFIP.

 

Everything obviously bad, but at least the advanced metrics indicate that ERA should improve going forward for the starters.

[Marty34]

Paulino is absolutely a lost cause. Hes never been good, one outlier year that he ended up with a mid 4 era, everything else is putrid and having any faith that he was going to come in here with a year layoff and be useful was foolish thinking.

 

No one should be jumping the gun on Johnson, but he was awful up here to start the year. No reason to think he cant get it together. Paulino on the other hand, he has no business seeing the active roster again.

 

It's going to be interesting to see how they assemble the rotation over the next couple of years. Outside of Johnson, there's nothing in the minors. Do they sign a top free agent, slot him at #2, Q at #3 or take a longer-term approach by signing a FA at #3, deal for a top pitching prospect and pair that guy with who they take in the draft.

[Balta1701]

It's going to be interesting to see how they assemble the rotation over the next couple of years. Outside of Johnson, there's nothing in the minors. Do they sign a top free agent, slot him at #2, Q at #3 or take a longer-term approach by signing a FA at #3, deal for a top pitching prospect and pair that guy with who they take in the draft.

Still on this schtick no matter how many times you've been called out for it I see.

[Marty34]

Still on this schtick no matter how many times you've been called out for it I see.

 

What's the problem with signing a pitcher better than Q.?

[fathom]

It's going to be interesting to see how they assemble the rotation over the next couple of years. Outside of Johnson, there's nothing in the minors. Do they sign a top free agent, slot him at #2, Q at #3 or take a longer-term approach by signing a FA at #3, deal for a top pitching prospect and pair that guy with who they take in the draft.

 

My guess would be they go after a 3-4 type pitcher, as well as another lottery pick pitcher. With so few 1-2 pitchers on the market (Lester, Masterson, Scherzer, Shields), it's hard to picture the Sox outbidding all the major market teams that will be going after starters.

[southsider2k5]

What's the problem with signing a pitcher better than Q.?

 

I can think of about 150 million reasons.

[southsider2k5]

Still on this schtick no matter how many times you've been called out for it I see.

 

Repeat it enough times, and it becomes true!

[Marty34]

Repeat it enough times, and it becomes true!

 

Stop it.

[Marty34]

I can think of about 150 million reasons.

 

You thought the Tanaka bid was a sham, huh?

[Balta1701]

What's the problem with signing a pitcher better than Q.?

Out of the available options who would be plausible? Is there another big time Japanese starter maybe available next fall? If not, particularly from the RH side, it's Scherzer at $200 million, Lester at maybe a similar amount although that makes no sense as he's a lefty, or perhaps Shields at a slightly lower amount.

 

But of course, if you actually look at his numbers, Quintana in his early to now mid 20's is only a tiny step behind what the veteran James Shields has done the last couple years, and so if you take into account you're getting his aged 33-37ish seasons, you're unlikely to get a better pitcher than Quintana over that deal.

 

So in order to sign someone better than Quintana this offseason, it's either a Japanese pitcher I don't know about who becomes available, or it's Scherzer.

[Marty34]

Out of the available options who would be plausible? Is there another big time Japanese starter maybe available next fall? If not, particularly from the RH side, it's Scherzer at $200 million, Lester at maybe a similar amount although that makes no sense as he's a lefty, or perhaps Shields at a slightly lower amount.

 

But of course, if you actually look at his numbers, Quintana in his early to now mid 20's is only a tiny step behind what the veteran James Shields has done the last couple years, and so if you take into account you're getting his aged 33-37ish seasons, you're unlikely to get a better pitcher than Quintana over that deal.

 

So in order to sign someone better than Quintana this offseason, it's either a Japanese pitcher I don't know about who becomes available, or it's Scherzer.

 

Plan B it is then, sign a #3, trade for a top starting prospect to pair with the #3 pick.

Edited April 30, 2014 by Marty34