LDF Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Is it me or is there and ungodly amount of injuries this yr .... esp with the pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Apr 29, 2014 -> 10:47 PM) Is it me or is there and ungodly amount of injuries this yr .... esp with the pitchers. Beyond belief so far..........I am afraid more to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 It being freezing sure doesn't help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 03:58 AM) It being freezing sure doesn't help I am going to ask of those posters who are way smarter than I to answer this, is it the weather or is it the pitching stress of learning different types of pitches at the young age ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 05:31 AM) I am going to ask of those posters who are way smarter than I to answer this, is it the weather or is it the pitching stress of learning different types of pitches at the young age ? That is the bajillion dollar question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 06:31 AM) I am going to ask of those posters who are way smarter than I to answer this, is it the weather or is it the pitching stress of learning different types of pitches at the young age ? Throwing breaking balls at a young age is a contributing factor at that age. It doesn't have a bearing at the MLB level. Stress, overuse, mechanics are contributing factors at the MLB or professional level. IMHO, it's in that order. Weather isn't a factor. You are dealing with small muscles that are doing very specific motions. Not a hamstring in a sprint to first base. There are very different neuormuscular patterns and timing going on in the hamstring that really don't apply in pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 08:08 AM) That is the bajillion dollar question. maybe kajillion zillion, but certainly not bajillion. that is just silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 09:08 AM) maybe kajillion zillion, but certainly not bajillion. that is just silly Fair enough, I'm prone to hyperbole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Too much weight lifting causes injuries. So does sliding head first all the time. Unnecessary diving in outfield causes injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (oldsox @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 10:27 AM) Too much weight lifting causes injuries. So does sliding head first all the time. Unnecessary diving in outfield causes injuries. Too much weight lifting does not cause injuries. Too much unbalanced (front to back) weightlifting or weightlifting without subsequent flexibility activity causes injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 06:31 AM) I am going to ask of those posters who are way smarter than I to answer this, is it the weather or is it the pitching stress of learning different types of pitches at the young age ? I had a great opportunity to meet Nolan Ryan at his Bassin-Inn Restaurant on Choke Canyon Lake (now closed sadly). Someone asked why pitchers seem to get injured more today (circa 2003) than when he was playing. His reply was that we pamper kids too much. He through hundreds of balls a day, year round, growing up. He believed the best way to develop pitching muscles is to use pitching muscles. His .02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 10:20 AM) Fair enough, I'm prone to hyperbole And we've told you that a gazillion times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 12:59 PM) And we've told you that a gazillion times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 12:59 PM) I had a great opportunity to meet Nolan Ryan at his Bassin-Inn Restaurant on Choke Canyon Lake (now closed sadly). Someone asked why pitchers seem to get injured more today (circa 2003) than when he was playing. His reply was that we pamper kids too much. He through hundreds of balls a day, year round, growing up. He believed the best way to develop pitching muscles is to use pitching muscles. His .02 All of the old timers think that. The problem with that is they always threw that much and the guys who couldn't got weeded out early on. Today the pitchers are coddled, not used to it, and they are trying to save every pitcher. So the ones who would have been hurt early are still pitching and can't take that workload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 10:27 AM) Too much weight lifting does not cause injuries. Too much unbalanced (front to back) weightlifting or weightlifting without subsequent flexibility activity causes injuries. That's what I meant to say. I was discussing this with a physical therapist recently...your words almost exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 QUOTE (oldsox @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 04:35 PM) That's what I meant to say. I was discussing this with a physical therapist recently...your words almost exactly Trained at Marquette as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 02:18 PM) All of the old timers think that. The problem with that is they always threw that much and the guys who couldn't got weeded out early on. Today the pitchers are coddled, not used to it, and they are trying to save every pitcher. So the ones who would have been hurt early are still pitching and can't take that workload. But who are they ahead of? Guys that can take the strain but aren't chosen? Or have we eliminated pitchers that are workhorses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 09:48 PM) But who are they ahead of? Guys that can take the strain but aren't chosen? Or have we eliminated pitchers that are workhorses? They are more pitchers for one. With added teams and specialists. But they are ahead of lesser talented pitchers. However since they break down more, more pitchers get a chnce. The workhorse pitcher is somewhat eliminted but these are the 4th and 5th starters which didn't exist back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 10:53 PM) They are more pitchers for one. With added teams and specialists. But they are ahead of lesser talented pitchers. However since they break down more, more pitchers get a chnce. The workhorse pitcher is somewhat eliminted but these are the 4th and 5th starters which didn't exist back then. Have you seen this article? What are your thoughts? http://m.si.com/4130468/overuse-of-young-p...urgery-problem/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 30, 2014 -> 11:01 PM) Have you seen this article? What are your thoughts? http://m.si.com/4130468/overuse-of-young-p...urgery-problem/ I don't always agree with Verducci but I agree with alot of this article. I don't think it's as much the volume of throwing (although that can still be a factor) as much as it is the effort and stress of throwing. On this board you can see it during games. There are posts of "still throwing 97 in the eighth inning." I stated before that I think part of the reason that there are more injuries is that pitchers are throwing harder more often because they are being trained to think 6 innings not 9. In the high schools, velocity gets you noticed and the big money thus the bigger stronger kids (compared to 20-30 years ago) are trying to throw harder all of the time. It's not all fastball velocity. The cut fastball is a popular pitch as well as the slider. These pitches break better with tight spin and velocity. This is not proven in any study. It's just my opinion from previous research and observations. Edited May 1, 2014 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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