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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2014 -> 02:11 PM)
If Cameron is accurate and teams won't give up much for him, Hahn's decision whether to trade him or keep him is very easy.

 

I don't think Cameron knows the market from his ass. Quite a few teams are desperate for middle infield help. That doesn't necessarily mean a team will pay what the Sox are asking for him, but it certainly doesn't hurt.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2014 -> 11:18 AM)
It seems peculiar to me that the guy who runs Fangraphs which claims Alexei's performance last year was worth $15.6 million and his performance this season has already been worth $9.8 million, and whose worst performance of his career was worth $8.5 million, doesn't think he has the correct skills to bring back anything major when he is owed $10 million next year with a $10 million option with a $1 million buyout for 2016. Seems he isn't buying what his site is selling.

 

You're completely, completely misinterpreting what he meant. But that's understandable because I'm assuming you don't consume a lot of the site's content.

 

He means that the market pays more for dingers and ribbies, and that guys that hit doubles and play defense are typically underpaid for their contributions. He's essentially saying that we should expcet that Alexei will not return as much as we think is fair.

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QUOTE (scs787 @ May 28, 2014 -> 02:18 PM)
So who are the potential suitors for Lexi? Looking through some of the depth charts of contending teams it looks like most of them have a guy there already. Sure this Lexi would be an upgrade over a lot of them but not big enough to give up a "Huge" package for him I'd say.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&sort=20,d

 

Yankees, Mariners and Brewers for starters.

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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 28, 2014 -> 01:31 PM)
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&sort=20,d

 

Yankees, Mariners and Brewers for starters.

 

The Yankees make sense if the Sox wait till the offseason to move Lexi. This year though? Probably not. Would they be willing to play him at 2B for the rest of the year? Jeter ain't moving.

 

I doubt the Brewers give up on Segura after last year. He's also been coming around lately, batting .375/.394/.500 the last 14 days.

 

M's maybe, depends on how the view Miller/Franklin who I believe both were highly thought of going into the season.

 

Giants loo like they may be a good fit. Brandon Crawford has been nothing special the last few years. Their minor leagues look pretty bad though. Susac looks really intriguing but with Flowers playing well I'm not sure the need for a C, as the main piece at least, isn't as high as it once was.

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You've got to remember, the second you trade Alexei you are telling the average fan you are giving up. Be careful with that. It looks like Semien is not as good as many of us hoped, merely an eventual replacement for Beckham, and L. Garcia is horrific. Any minor leaguers ready to be Lexi Junior?

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QUOTE (greg775 @ May 28, 2014 -> 01:58 PM)
You've got to remember, the second you trade Alexei you are telling the average fan you are giving up. Be careful with that. It looks like Semien is not as good as many of us hoped, merely an eventual replacement for Beckham, and L. Garcia is horrific. Any minor leaguers ready to be Lexi Junior?

SS isn't easy to fill either. My BP says Semien cannot play major league SS. I haven't ever seen him play SS so I couldn't tell you. Sanchez is hitting in Charlotte, but will he hit enough at the major league level to play SS every day? If you sign a free agent, they will be more expensive than Alexei and probably not as good.

 

Until there is an obvious replacement, or a deal where you can't say no, keeping him is the play IMO.

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You've got to remember, the second you trade Alexei you are telling the average fan you are giving up. Be careful with that. It looks like Semien is not as good as many of us hoped, merely an eventual replacement for Beckham, and L. Garcia is horrific. Any minor leaguers ready to be Lexi Junior?

 

After last year, I was ready to trade Alexei, but with the way he's playing now, I have to agree that I think he can be the starting SS when the Sox are contending in 2015 or 2016. That's not to say that there isn't some package that I would take for him, but I'm definitely not looking to do a Rios-type salary dump with him.

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QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 28, 2014 -> 02:18 PM)
I think he goes to the Scrubs in a Shark deal.

 

I saw that too, that makes no sense for the O's unless you are convinced that he is broken for good. Sounds like Cubs are scouting Gausman as well. I like Alexei to the Dodgers for Joc Pederson, Victor Gonzalez, and Zach Bird.

 

 

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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ May 28, 2014 -> 02:45 PM)
I saw that too, that makes no sense for the O's unless you are convinced that he is broken for good. Sounds like Cubs are scouting Gausman as well. I like Alexei to the Dodgers for Joc Pederson, Victor Gonzalez, and Zach Bird.

 

Dodgers might make some sense, for Pederson though?? Idk about that. I think I'd throw on the Soxman mask and wear only body paint and a sock on my dong and run laps around the cell if they were able to get Pederson for Lexi even straight up.

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QUOTE (scs787 @ May 28, 2014 -> 02:59 PM)
Dodgers might make some sense, for Pederson though?? Idk about that. I think I'd throw on the Soxman mask and wear only body paint and a sock on my dong and run laps around the cell if they were able to get Pederson for Lexi even straight up.

 

Yeah I think they see Pederson as the replacement for Kemp. I have to think the Dodgers would rather move as much of that salary as possible and re-allocate it to a Hanley extension.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ May 28, 2014 -> 01:58 PM)
You've got to remember, the second you trade Alexei you are telling the average fan you are giving up. Be careful with that. It looks like Semien is not as good as many of us hoped, merely an eventual replacement for Beckham, and L. Garcia is horrific. Any minor leaguers ready to be Lexi Junior?

 

Well, the 17k that come out to the park now will be what, reduced to 15k?

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QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 28, 2014 -> 03:11 PM)
Yeah I think they see Pederson as the replacement for Kemp. I have to think the Dodgers would rather move as much of that salary as possible and re-allocate it to a Hanley extension.

 

They have $37M in Billingsley, Beckett, and Haren coming off the books at the end of the season, plenty to allocate on top of Hanleys current $16M salary and make a run at James Shields. I can't see them being able to unload Kemp given the concerns about his makeup and the $75M owed him.

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QUOTE (Wanne @ May 28, 2014 -> 03:43 PM)
If I'm talking to Cashman...Gary Sanchez better be in the discussion.

 

I bet it'll be more like Aaron Judge. Alexei's age won't do us any favors, and his price will ultimately be determined by how many motivated bidders there are. The Yankees make more sense than anyone else at this juncture.

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QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 28, 2014 -> 04:49 PM)
I bet it'll be more like Aaron Judge. Alexei's age won't do us any favors, and his price will ultimately be determined by how many motivated bidders there are. The Yankees make more sense than anyone else at this juncture.

I like Judge a lot. If the sox and yankees do line up I would be looking at JR Murphy or Sanchez (all though i feel he is over hyped and has stagnated at Trenton), Greg Bird because we could certainly use another legit 1B prospect especially a left handed one, and Manny Banuelos former top prospect that is still really young and lost a lot of shine due to injuries.

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QUOTE (Wanne @ May 28, 2014 -> 05:43 PM)
If I'm talking to Cashman...Gary Sanchez better be in the discussion.

I know he's young for the level but the .723 OPS he's putting up this year at AA doesn't leave me all that excited.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2014 -> 05:34 PM)
I know he's young for the level but the .723 OPS he's putting up this year at AA doesn't leave me all that excited.

 

Yankees could eat the rest of Dunn's salary in a deal as well. Adding him could make a lot of sense for both clubs as the Yankees could use Dunn as well.

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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 28, 2014 -> 06:36 PM)
Yankees could eat the rest of Dunn's salary in a deal as well. Adding him could make a lot of sense for both clubs as the Yankees could use Dunn as well.

Why on Earth would the White Sox call this a good thing? At the very least Dunn seems like he's a non-terrible trade chip on his own right now. He's hitting adequately and isn't a long term commitment any more. At the very least the White Sox ought to be able to move Dunn's contract on its own this year if that's what they want to do unless he's hurt.

 

You talk about the Yankees eating the rest of Danks's salary if he keeps pitching the way he has in all but his last start and maybe you'd have something.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2014 -> 05:39 PM)
Why on Earth would the White Sox call this a good thing? At the very least Dunn seems like he's a non-terrible trade chip on his own right now. He's hitting adequately and isn't a long term commitment any more. At the very least the White Sox ought to be able to move Dunn's contract on its own this year if that's what they want to do unless he's hurt.

 

You talk about the Yankees eating the rest of Danks's salary if he keeps pitching the way he has in all but his last start and maybe you'd have something.

I think there's a real chance that Danks can work with the fastball in the 88-90mph range if he can stay there comfortably. He is a lefty with good enough control and secondary stuff, plus there's lot of experience there as well. He could still become a useful piece worth his contract IMO, and the only way you flat out dump the guy is if you're convinced he's a #5 and nothing more. I don't think you dump him for money concerns ATM. It's just too early to write the ending on that guy, especially coming off his last start.

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