Guest wsc425 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Mistakes Jerry Manuel has made this year? Really now, I want to know because I am not getting any explanation besides ur useless b****ing about Manuel. C'mon now u need examples! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Be Peaceful. Be respectful as I will be to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 I can name 2 off the top of my head. 1) Leaving Fartolo in to face Bonds in the 9th inning. 2) Replacing Buehrle with Cotts vs the Yank-mees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wsc425 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 I can name 2 off the top of my head. 1) Leaving Fartolo in to face Bonds in the 9th inning. 2) Replacing Buehrle with Cotts vs the Yank-mees. Well Bonds no doubt but Cotts...Manuel was playing the percentages and was giving Mark, who pitches way too much, an extra day off. C'mon now is that too bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wsc425 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Be Peaceful. Be respectful as I will be to you. Hey now, I want opinions. Do you have any or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 I don't care to list the top 10 manuel screwups. I just think it's funny you say "I want to know because I am not getting any explanation besides ur useless b****ing about Manuel. If you are just a pissy PMS shemale, then I think you should shove it up ur ass." with what your sig says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wsc425 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 I don't care to list the top 10 manuel screwups. I just think it's funny you say "I want to know because I am not getting any explanation besides ur useless b****ing about Manuel. If you are just a pissy PMS shemale, then I think you should shove it up ur ass." with what your sig says. Help ppl I need ur top 10's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Help ppl I need ur top 10's. Why do you need to know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wsc425 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Why do you need to know? a list of manuels mistakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 a list of manuels mistakes I said WHY not What! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wsc425 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 I said WHY not What! Because nobody backs up themselves when they say something SO GIVE ME IT NOW: THE TOP TEN f***IN MANUEL MISTAKES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Because nobody backs up themselves when they say something SO GIVE ME IT NOW: THE TOP TEN f***IN MANUEL MISTAKES :fyou :finger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wsc425 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Because nobody backs up themselves when they say something SO GIVE ME IT NOW: THE TOP TEN f***IN MANUEL MISTAKES :fyou :finger lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Because nobody backs up themselves when they say something SO GIVE ME IT NOW: THE TOP TEN f***IN MANUEL MISTAKES :fyou :finger lol. I 2nd the lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Manuel's mistakes are systemic not incidental. 1) Benches too many starters on a given day 2) Hired Kim who has led to more base-running outs than scores 3) Replaced Wright with Cotts 4) Insists on 5 bench players & 11 arms instead of 4 bench players & 12 arms 5) Doesn't understand the importance of defining a setup & closer role 6) Doesn't understand the importance of players needing time to adjust to their place in a lineup 7) Doesn't have the balls to tell his (poor-arse) switch-hitters who suck as RH ab's to always be a LH ab. 8) Doesn't know when to pull a starter or a relief pitcher. It's always well after the damage is done. 9) Doesn't stress fundamentals. Why is it that R. Alomar is the only good bunt on this team? Do they ever practice bunting? 10) Doesn't understand the importance of momentum. At least 10 series this year include times when Manuel killed momentum with either a severe lineup or rotation change. Cotts for Buerhle in NYY is only the latest. This is by far the worst of Manuel's pedigree for managing. Since Cotts for Buerhle is his latest blunder, let's analyze it. The SOX were coming off 2 wins @ NYY where the combined score was 24-4. With Mussina on the hill the odds were that the 3rd game would be low scoring. THIS WAS THE NYY FOR GOD'S SAKE! DO YOU KNOW HOW OFTEN THEY GOT SWEPT IN NY? ALMOST NEVER! Imagine if you will that Buerhle had started. Do you really believe that with the momentum the SOX had & the adrenaline pumping in Mark that they lose that game with 5 runs scored? If you would have asked me if the SOX score 3 vs Mussina & 1 vs Nelson will the SOX win? I think most fans & analysts would have picked the SOX. Especially with Buerhle pitching. Need more proof? Look at the odds makers on the game when Buerhle was starting vs Cotts. Coming off a loss in NYY, the momentum had weakened & Buerhle was emotionally ripe for let down. So Manuel's blunder cost the SOX not just 1 but 2 games. Add it to his list of about 10. Now he might look like a genius if all 4 starters are fresh & invigorated in the post season to take the SOX to the 2nd round. But if they fail to win the division that strategy is going to be useless. As the cliche goes, you take it 1 game at a time. Your focus should never stray from trying to win the game you are playing today. Manuel's future-watch needs to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Manuel's mistakes are systemic not incidental. 1) Benches too many starters on a given day 2) Hired Kim who has led to more base-running outs than scores 3) Replaced Wright with Cotts 4) Insists on 5 bench players & 11 arms instead of 4 bench players & 12 arms 5) Doesn't understand the importance of defining a setup & closer role 6) Doesn't understand the importance of players needing time to adjust to their place in a lineup 7) Doesn't have the balls to tell his (poor-arse) switch-hitters who suck as RH ab's to always be a LH ab. 8) Doesn't know when to pull a starter or a relief pitcher. It's always well after the damage is done. 9) Doesn't stress fundamentals. Why is it that R. Alomar is the only good bunt on this team? Do they ever practice bunting? 10) Doesn't understand the importance of momentum. At least 10 series this year include times when Manuel killed momentum with either a severe lineup or rotation change. Cotts for Buerhle in NYY is only the latest. This is by far the worst of Manuel's pedigree for managing. Since Cotts for Buerhle is his latest blunder, let's analyze it. The SOX were coming off 2 wins @ NYY where the combined score was 24-4. With Mussina on the hill the odds were that the 3rd game would be low scoring. THIS WAS THE NYY FOR GOD'S SAKE! DO YOU KNOW HOW OFTEN THEY GOT SWEPT IN NY? ALMOST NEVER! Imagine if you will that Buerhle had started. Do you really believe that with the momentum the SOX had & the adrenaline pumping in Mark that they lose that game with 5 runs scored? If you would have asked me if the SOX score 3 vs Mussina & 1 vs Nelson will the SOX win? I think most fans & analysts would have picked the SOX. Especially with Buerhle pitching. Need more proof? Look at the odds makers on the game when Buerhle was starting vs Cotts. Coming off a loss in NYY, the momentum had weakened & Buerhle was emotionally ripe for let down. So Manuel's blunder cost the SOX not just 1 but 2 games. Add it to his list of about 10. Now he might look like a genius if all 4 starters are fresh & invigorated in the post season to take the SOX to the 2nd round. But if they fail to win the division that strategy is going to be useless. As the cliche goes, you take it 1 game at a time. Your focus should never stray from trying to win the game you are playing today. Manuel's future-watch needs to stop. Thank you. You saved me a lot of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 11) Fielding fundamentals. Even if he doesn't know better, all he has to do is show a tape of the STL Cards to Crede & Olivo on how to defend their positions. Rolen gets his body in front of 3B to block the runner when a play is being made. Crede stands behind the bag in foul territory - every time. On the Cards, when there is a play at home, the throw and the catcher are in the runners path to block access to the plate. On the SOX Olivo stands in front of the plate facing the pitcher (leaving the plate wide open for a back door slide) & the throw usually bounces in front of him or veers to the 1B side. Again I ask the question: Do they practice these fundamentals? How is their lack of fundamentals NOT a reflection of Manuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 11) Fielding fundamentals. Even if he doesn't know better, all he has to do is show a tape of the STL Cards to Crede & Olivo on how to defend their positions. Rolen gets his body in front of 3B to block the runner when a play is being made. Crede stands behind the bag in foul territory - every time. On the Cards, when there is a play at home, the throw and the catcher are in the runners path to block access to the plate. On the SOX Olivo stands in front of the plate facing the pitcher (leaving the plate wide open for a back door slide) & the throw usually bounces in front of him or veers to the 1B side. Again I ask the question: Do they practice these fundamentals? How is their lack of fundamentals NOT a reflection of Manuel. I think the # 1 thing he lacks is being a passionate leader. Hes way too laid back and it shows through in the teams attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 1) Benches too many starters on a given day 2) Hired Kim who has led to more base-running outs than scores 3) Replaced Wright with Cotts 4) Insists on 5 bench players & 11 arms instead of 4 bench players & 12 arms 5) Doesn't understand the importance of defining a setup & closer role 6) Doesn't understand the importance of players needing time to adjust to their place in a lineup 7) Doesn't have the balls to tell his (poor-arse) switch-hitters who suck as RH ab's to always be a LH ab. 8) Doesn't know when to pull a starter or a relief pitcher. It's always well after the damage is done. 9) Doesn't stress fundamentals. Why is it that R. Alomar is the only good bunt on this team? Do they ever practice bunting? 10) Doesn't understand the importance of momentum. At least 10 series this year include times when Manuel killed momentum with either a severe lineup or rotation change. Cotts for Buerhle in NYY is only the latest. This is by far the worst of Manuel's pedigree for managing. 1) Its part of the managers job to keep all your guys fresh. 2) The baserunning is much improved over last year, and the mistakes on groundballs (Konerko, Lee) were the players' mistakes. 3) Wright was 0-5 and had his opportunies 4) I dont see a problem with 11 arms, the only guys we ever use are Marte/Gordon, Sullivan, and Schoewneis/Wunsch in blowouts. 5) Its been working fine. 6) Hes sticked with a consistant lineup for the last month. 7) Cant argue with that one. 8) Cant argue with that one. 9) Thats the hitting coach's job and we've been winning without fundamentals. 10) All those moves could have gone either way and it just hasnt worked out for him. Fact is, JM got this team from 6(?) games back by the AS break, to first place. A manager could have easily given up on this team and JM hasnt. Stop b****ing about it unless you're gonna go try out for his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach23 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 1) Wore white after labor day 2) Forgot to replace his furnace filter monthly 3) Prefers Shemp over Curly 4) Recomended the movie "Ishtar" to friends 5) Bought a Yugo 6) Invested in Enron 7) Let in-laws stay at his house during a long road trip 8) Fertilized his lawn during a heat wave and forgot to water 9) Mixed amonia and bleach 10) Confused Ned Beatty and Warren Beatty and always wondered why women were so hot for that fat guy in the movie "Deliverence". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wsc425 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 1) Wore white after labor day 2) Forgot to replace his furnace filter monthly 3) Prefers Shemp over Curly 4) Recomended the movie "Ishtar" to friends 5) Bought a Yugo 6) Invested in Enron 7) Let in-laws stay at his house during a long road trip 8) Fertilized his lawn during a heat wave and forgot to water 9) Mixed amonia and bleach 10) Confused Ned Beatty and Warren Beatty and always wondered why women were so hot for that fat guy in the movie "Deliverence". OT post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach23 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 1) Wore white after labor day 2) Forgot to replace his furnace filter monthly 3) Prefers Shemp over Curly 4) Recomended the movie "Ishtar" to friends 5) Bought a Yugo 6) Invested in Enron 7) Let in-laws stay at his house during a long road trip 8) Fertilized his lawn during a heat wave and forgot to water 9) Mixed amonia and bleach 10) Confused Ned Beatty and Warren Beatty and always wondered why women were so hot for that fat guy in the movie "Deliverence". OT post So what? Lighten up Francis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wsc425 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 My name is Ross. Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bmr31 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 My name is Ross. Jag Ligten up francis is a quote from the movie "stripes". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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