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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:44 PM)
It's not the team. Danks just never is going to be the same.

 

And that's yet one more reason why we have to be a bit careful with the payroll than just throwing money at mid-tier free agent pitchers. We already have one of our own who's mediocre at best. We don't need another one.

So in your opinion this inning is all his fault? Even though he got two ground outs that were completely f***ed up by his defense?

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:44 PM)
It's not the team. Danks just never is going to be the same.

 

And that's yet one more reason why we have to be a bit careful with the payroll than non-strategically throwing money at the dartboard of mid-tier free agent pitchers. We already have one of our own who's mediocre at best. We don't need another one.

He is a shell of his former self to me. A highly paid shell.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:44 PM)
It's not the team. Danks just never is going to be the same.

 

And that's yet one more reason why we have to be a bit careful with the payroll than non-strategically throwing money at the dartboard of mid-tier free agent pitchers. We already have one of our own who's mediocre at best. We don't need another one.

 

I know Danks has had pretty bad stuff. But that was a bad play by Abreu and Semien should have stayed on his feet for that ground ball.

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QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 7, 2014 -> 07:44 PM)
He needed to stay on his feet and backhand it and step on 3rd.. I think he thought the ball was hit harder and his first reaction was to dive for hit.

 

 

It's what happens when you move players all over the diamond at his age, instead of letting them get comfortable at one position.

 

Different reactions at 3B than the middle of the infield.

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:39 PM)
Danks has always been an off speed pitcher. Not sure how he relied on velocity.

He had a very nice fastball and a changeup that rated as elite to benefit off that. Not so much now. But damn we just caught a huge break.

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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:47 PM)
As someone said earlier today "never thought I'd say it, but we need Conor back in the worst way".

 

Maybe not tonight, but Semian is a butcher at 3B.

Starting Thursday Semien's playing time should be way down.

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QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:47 PM)
Non-fireballers arent hurt by velocity dips? Surely that cant be your meaning

aren't......can't.........WTF........professor.

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:48 PM)
Thankfully that piece of s*** pitched over terrible defense.

 

We dont have to all assume the people we're arguing against are taking wildly extreme viewpoints. Has Danks been good enough since returning from the injury? No. Clearly not. Are we open to him either (1) changing in order to gain a new form of effectiveness (2) getting the velocity back? Absolutely.

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QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ May 7, 2014 -> 08:47 PM)
Non-fireballers arent hurt by velocity dips? Surely that cant be your meaning

Saying "relying on velocity" does not point to a guy whose best pitches have always been breaking balls. He had a plus curve and plus change with a good fastball.

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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 7, 2014 -> 09:48 PM)
He had a very nice fastball and a changeup that rated as elite to benefit off that. Not so much now. But damn we just caught a huge break.

 

Yea his average FB velocity pre injury was 91.6. That is pretty damn good for a lefty starter. It was a very good pitch that was complimented by the change at 85-86.

 

Now his fastball sits at 87-88. There are very, very few pitchers in MLB, even LHP, that can survive with that velocity.

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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 7, 2014 -> 07:48 PM)
He had a very nice fastball and a changeup that rated as elite to benefit off that. Not so much now. But damn we just caught a huge break.

 

 

There's a big difference when your change is 10 MPH off the fastball. He used to throw 90-93 MPH consistently, a lot like Quintana does now.

 

In fact, the MLB.com gun is reading his fastball at as low as 82, or not distinguishing between the change and fastball.

 

He's a lot closer to Jim Parque than Mark Buehrle at this point.

 

 

One thing's for sure, he definitely has to have pinpoint command to survive in the bigs with this kind of stuff. Or he's got to develop a knockout curveball in the mid 70's, which he's never really mastered.

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