fathom Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Since when is Francisco a long reliever? 41 pitches is simply insane for him. This bullpen mgmt of late makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Would have been better if we had kept Cleto, lol. Francisco's stuff is nothing like what he used to throw. "Hit Me" on that hanger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 11, 2014 -> 04:05 PM) Goldschmidt went 0 for the series. Still going to lose 2 games..........If you told me before series that I say Sox win 2 of 3 or sweep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 11, 2014 -> 04:04 PM) Do you think it might be just not knowing these pitchers yet? Or just a slump I think he needs to learn how to take pitches outside the zone. I am sure he will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 11, 2014 -> 05:08 PM) Would have been better if we had kept Cleto, lol. Francisco's stuff is nothing like what he used to throw. "Hit Me" on that hanger. Someone claimed Cleto already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ May 11, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) Since when is Francisco a long reliever? 41 pitches is simply insane for him. This bullpen mgmt of late makes no sense. Ventura has that stupid...well, we are trailing by 1 or more runs, so we can never use Putnam/Webb/Belisario/Lindstrom..."A" Bullpen thing. And finally he makes a move when the game has become academic. Edited May 11, 2014 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 QUOTE (fathom @ May 11, 2014 -> 09:07 PM) Since when is Francisco a long reliever? 41 pitches is simply insane for him. This bullpen mgmt of late makes no sense. Might be a sign of how the bullpen is viewed overall. But, Frankie was in there too long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) Robin another great job! .............Sox win games in spite of him not because of him. Edited May 11, 2014 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 QUOTE (fathom @ May 11, 2014 -> 04:07 PM) Since when is Francisco a long reliever? 41 pitches is simply insane for him. This bullpen mgmt of late makes no sense. Feels like we just play to lose after being down by 2 in later innings.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Ventura gets such a pass in this town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Hahahahahaha. 2 outs in the 9th with nobody on and down by 4.. Robin decides NOW he wants to take him out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 11, 2014 -> 10:10 PM) Hahahahahaha. 2 outs in the 9th with nobody on and down by 4.. Robin decides NOW he wants to take him out? Similar to the Cleto debacle on Thursday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ May 11, 2014 -> 10:10 PM) Ventura gets such a pass in this town. As does Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ May 11, 2014 -> 04:10 PM) Ventura gets such a pass in this town. Robin digresses as a manager game by game. I have no faith in him getting from point B to point A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Imagine what we could do with a real manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Still not convinced Ventura is the right manager for this team when they're back to a competitive level. Obviously, when you change out Peavy and Santiago for Paulino/Johnson/Noesi/Carroll/Leesman/Rienzo, you're expecting to be a 74-78 win team at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 11, 2014 -> 09:13 PM) Robin digresses as a manager game by game. I have no faith in him getting from point B to point A. Gibson managed a great game today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 That dumbass play by De Aza set the tone for the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 QUOTE (fathom @ May 11, 2014 -> 05:12 PM) As does Cooper. Yeah, I can't remember the last time a pitcher he really seemed to help started a game for the white sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ May 11, 2014 -> 03:10 PM) Ventura gets such a pass in this town. Everyone knows he's just wearing it for the franchise while things are down and they're rebuilding. He's a PR buffer to protect Reinsdorf and Williams until they can get things turned around. It's pretty hard to "hate" him like many did with Ozzie...so, you get something even worse, apathy. In all fairness, how can you get all over someone who never had any experience in the first place? Well, you can get all over Williams or Reinsdorf, but that takes too much energy to connect all the dots. It's the same thing with the Cubs...if they keep going through different managers, eventually the blame game will point to Epstein. Edited May 11, 2014 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 11, 2014 -> 09:13 PM) Imagine what we could do with a real manager We will see if he is still around in 2-3 years when hopefully the Sox have more talent. These growing pains with Ventura are rough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Robin to me would be a great youth league manager. I see him as .500 at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ May 11, 2014 -> 04:16 PM) We will see if he is still around in 2-3 years when hopefully the Sox have more talent. These growing pains with Ventura are rough That is the thing RV is not 1% better as a manager than he was day 1 on the job. Same mistakes over and over. Edited May 11, 2014 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Those who say the Sox never quit should not forget today's game. Seems like it was over after the DeAza gaffe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 QUOTE (fathom @ May 11, 2014 -> 03:15 PM) Gibson managed a great game today. He's managing with a sense of urgency. Quite a few felt his job was on the line on this road trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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