Chisoxfn Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 09:35 AM) Right, but you come to the same deduction for the same reason - playing time. Sale's playing time would account for 74.4% of Felix's playing time. Felix is more deserving of the Cy Young because he's been on the field for a much more significant amount of time. And been nearly as good. It would be one thing if Sale was sub 2.00 ERA and the next closest guy was 75 points away with not so great periphs, however, King Felix has been pretty damn good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I just want Sale as top 3. Probably as a holdover from the righteous anger of my youth, I was really annoyed at the trade deadline when ESPN continued to say that the top two lefthanders in the AL were acquired by Detroit and Oakland. Um...no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) And been nearly as good. It would be one thing if Sale was sub 2.00 ERA and the next closest guy was 75 points away with not so great periphs, however, King Felix has been pretty damn good too. He's been phenomenal. I'm in agreement with the general consensus that Chris Sale is the best pitcher in the AL, but he simply hasn't pitched enough this year to earn it. There's always next year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) And been nearly as good. It would be one thing if Sale was sub 2.00 ERA and the next closest guy was 75 points away with not so great periphs, however, King Felix has been pretty damn good too. The NL situation, where Kershaw and Wainwright probably finish 1-2 if the season were done today, provides a fine example of that. Edited September 16, 2014 by shysocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) I just want Sale as top 3. Probably as a holdover from the righteous anger of my youth, I was really annoyed at the trade deadline when ESPN continued to say that the top two lefthanders in the AL were acquired by Detroit and Oakland. Um...no. Ha I heard that and it bothered me as well. Something really stupid to be bothered by but oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 It's odd as I think Sale has been the best pitcher in the AL this year but I'd vote for Felix to be the cy young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:29 AM) Ha I heard that and it bothered me as well. Something really stupid to be bothered by but oh well. Did they mean the top lefthanded pitchers that were available for trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 12:32 PM) Did they mean the top lefthanded pitchers that were available for trade? I'm not sure what they meant but they definitely said "two best left handers in the American league" or something along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 It was Kirkjian and definitely did not add a "available for trade" qualifier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) I just want Sale as top 3. Probably as a holdover from the righteous anger of my youth, I was really annoyed at the trade deadline when ESPN continued to say that the top two lefthanders in the AL were acquired by Detroit and Oakland. Um...no. Pitchers better than Sale: Kershaw That's it. QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:50 AM) The NL situation, where Kershaw and Wainwright probably finish 1-2 if the season were done today, provides a fine example of that. If Sale doesn't deserve the Cy Young, then neither does Kershaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:02 PM) If Sale doesn't deserve the Cy Young, then neither does Kershaw. I don't see it that way, for reasons already stated. Kershaw's numbers so eclipse the competition that the missed time isn't much of a factor. He'll run away with the award, and Sale won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Kershaw only has to deal with 8 hitters though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) Kershaw only has to deal with 8 hitters though. So do all the other pitchers in the running for the NL Cy Young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:20 PM) So do all the other pitchers in the running for the NL Cy Young. I was saying that for someone who thinks Kershaw is better than Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:02 PM) Pitchers better than Sale: Kershaw That's it. If Sale doesn't deserve the Cy Young, then neither does Kershaw. Kershaw is head and shoulders above the next guy in the NL, will probably win 20 games (which voters still look at) and is still going to end up with over 200 innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:12 PM) Kershaw only has to deal with 8 hitters though. In 2014, here are the splits for non-pitchers batting against these pitchers. Kershaw: .197/.232/.294 Sale: .199/.254/.291 Felix: .202/.245/.307 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) In 2014, here are the splits for non-pitchers batting against these pitchers. Kershaw: .197/.232/.294 Sale: .199/.254/.291 Felix: .202/.245/.307 So they're all awful pitchers is what you're trying to get at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) In 2014, here are the splits for non-pitchers batting against these pitchers. Kershaw: .197/.232/.294 Sale: .199/.254/.291 Felix: .202/.245/.307 Adjust for home park and you can squint and see a case that Sale is the best of the three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 01:31 PM) I was saying that for someone who thinks Kershaw is better than Sale. Oh ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Pitchers have 45 PAs against Kershaw. They have 3 hits (1 2B), 1 BB, 21 K, and 5 sacrifice bunts. .077/.100/.103 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) And been nearly as good. It would be one thing if Sale was sub 2.00 ERA and the next closest guy was 75 points away with not so great periphs, however, King Felix has been pretty damn good too. Right, which is why everyone is ignoring the fact that Kershaw and Sale missed the EXACT same amount of time with an injury. Kershaw is so far ahead of anyone in the NL that no one cares to remember he has pitched less innings than everyone else. Sale isn't that far ahead of Felix to where IP doesn't matter. This is why I think the only chance Sale has is to go 8 IP+ each of his next starts, giving up 1 ER or less each time, and Felix getting hit around and seeing his ERA jump above 2.40. Then Sale will have a good chance if he does something like.... 24 IP, 3 ER over those last 3 starts, giving him 187 IP and a 1.88 ERA. And Felix comes out with something like.... 17 IP, 12 ER over those last 3 starts, giving him 236 IP and a 2.44 ERA That half a run+ on ERA may make up the difference in his IP, but even then it would probably be a close race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Can someone please summarize his MLBN appearance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 02:55 PM) Pitchers have 45 PAs against Kershaw. They have 3 hits (1 2B), 1 BB, 21 K, and 5 sacrifice bunts. .077/.100/.103 So Kershaw has pitched approximately 15 innings worth of *yawn How many pitchers has Sale gone up against this year? Edited September 16, 2014 by pettie4sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I just missed Sale on Intentional Talk.....anybody got a video on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 16, 2014 -> 03:46 PM) I just missed Sale on Intentional Talk.....anybody got a video on it? I missed it too, but they usually put at least a portion of the interview online either later today or tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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