harfman77 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Pros - At the height of his value given age/contract status/performance/track record Reasonable contract that will fit into almost any teams payroll Would bring the best return of anyone on the roster outside of Sale and Abreu The market for starting pitching may be crazy this summer with all of the injuries that have happened to other starters on contending teams. Cons - Quality starting pitching is hard to find for a reasonable amount Prospect laden deals are hit and miss, emphasis on the miss Contract makes he and Sale very affordable through 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Unless this team goes into a full collapse and rebuild, there is no reason to trade Quintana, unless the return was insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 30, 2014 -> 09:10 AM) No. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 My response to this OP is like my response to seeing a closet full of spiders - NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 This thread is a very clear sign that we need to get a game thread going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Why should they? They're in it right now, and Quintana is locked up. I really don't understand all of the trade talk/who can we trade while the team is still in it. Yeah, I get they aren't going to make moves to jeopardize the future, but the Beckham/Alexei/Quintana speculation stuff seems out of place while the team is in-season and not buried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) For a haul yes, otherwise no. Parity in MLB means we can contend soon with him, or we can trade him for a haul and contend in either '14 or '15 with what's coming here (considering the upcoming high draft pick...and also considering what our payroll will allow us to do i.e. absorb Liriano type guy from someone midyear, etc) I say haul because the contract we signed him to should equate to trade-haul in the right market/circumstances etc. If it doesnt, then no....keep Q Edited May 30, 2014 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 No -- it's a similar argument to why you don't trade Sale. These are the guys you hope the prospects turn into. At some point you have to retain some of them in order to build a core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I don't get why people even talk of trading Quintana and Sale. They are proven starting pitchers that are locked up incredibly cheap for the next several seasons which is exactly what we need for our rebuild. Frankly it gets a little old that the discussion is seemingly brought up every few weeks. Even if the Sox were to trade them, it would be for multiple top prospects who at best one would turn out as good as Sale or Quintana. So what the hell would be the point in trading them and taking the risk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 sometimes it seems people are more concerned about the Sox being #1 in prospect rankings than actually keeping good young players under reasonable salaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) You'd listen but it would have to be one hell of a deal & the main piece would need to be already in the big leagues performing at least somewhat decently. Yeah it would definitely have to be an overpay. Kind of like the A's deal for Haren from the DBacks, which was Dan Haren + Connor Robertson to AZ for Brett Anderson, Chris Carter, Aaron Cunningham, Dana Eveland, Carlos Gonzalez and Greg Smith. You get that kind of return offered to you and then you have to evaluate things differently. Especially if we draft a 4th LHSP in a few days. Edited May 30, 2014 by The Ultimate Champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 30, 2014 -> 09:59 AM) sometimes it seems people are more concerned about the Sox being #1 in prospect rankings than actually keeping good young players under reasonable salaries. Yeah and right now here's the thing, we trade Reed for Davidson and the better MLB player ATM with a better looking future is Connor Gillaspie who we acquired for a song. Erik Johnson was a high draft pick but now he's in the minors performing at a level below Noesi who we claimed free on waivers and Rienzo who wasn't nearly rated as highly & was considered a fringe big leaguer. Plus there's all those top pick s***ty OFers in the minors right now who unlike the free Moises Sierra have zero shot at any MLB playing time in the reasonable future. So if you make a big trade and give up an excellent player you'd need a whole lot back. And if you get a massive deal thrown at you on anyone outside of Sale & Abreu you at least have to listen, but no way I'd trade Q at a price other teams would want to pay. Now Toronto or Baltimore, would they give up a fortune to get Q and his contract over Samardzija, who they'd be unlikely to extend? Maybe if the right situaiton pops up you think about it, but it would have to be a bowl-me-over thing if you're Hahn, because good players already come more or less free all the time as it is if you can do the scouting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 30, 2014 -> 09:59 AM) sometimes it seems people are more concerned about the Sox being #1 in prospect rankings than actually keeping good young players under reasonable salaries. Both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) Trading your better young players who will be reasonably priced for the forseeable future, especially a starting pitcher, where your team has a clear void, generally blows up in your face if you are planning on being good any time soon. Edited May 30, 2014 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 No because similar to Sale, you wouldn't get what Quintana's contract is worth in a trade. Q has been damn good this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I'm down to trade anybody for the right deal. I think you can make a good argument to trade Sale before Quintana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I was all on board with this all of last year and the offseason, until this year when we proved to actually have no pitching depth at all. Now, you hold on to him at all costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 No. Imagine how bad this rotation would look. Sale Danks Noesi Rienzo Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ May 30, 2014 -> 09:09 AM) Pros - At the height of his value given age/contract status/performance/track record I disagree with this basic premise. He's 25, not 30. How do we know he's at the "height". And that height may last for a long time, as it often does with easy throwing lefties. The man's consistent. We need pitchers like him. And our system is not exactly replete with arms. We have plenty of other superior options to trade, like surplus middle infielders, Dunn, De Aza and then guys like Phegley. And frankly we need to trade a lot of these guys even though we'll get similar in return. Edited May 30, 2014 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 No to trading Q............Danks hell yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 The White Sox need starting pitching. Not shedding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 30, 2014 -> 11:58 AM) The White Sox need starting pitching. Not shedding it. Exactly. What do you want to trade him for? The offense is currently better than the staff and there's way more help coming from the minors on the position side than on the pitching side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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