ChiSoxJon Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) Our '13 draft class had serious prospects by the names of Anderson, Danish, May, Engel, Mitchell, Michalczewski, and Goldberg at least at the days immediately following the draft. 2012 offered us serious prospects like Hawkins, Barnum, Beck, DeMichele, Brennan, Basto, Hansen, Johnson, Ayala, Coats, Guerrero, and Throne. In my early opinion, these are our 2014 serious draft prospects: A: 1. Rodon (ace potential, AS potential, fast mover) 2. Adams (future pro starter, 2/3 starter, similar to Danish potential, maybe even higher) 3. Fry (future pro starter, similar to Beck/Mitchell/Hansen potential, slightly less) 14. Montes De Oca (unlikely to sign but ace potential, slow mover) B: 4. Brett Austin (good working with pitchers, speed, good contact, may transition to OF, previously drafted 54 overall) 5. Zach Thompson (potential starter, big size, unused arm) 9. Brian Clark (closer stuff, good size) 10. Jake Jarvis (versatile and determined IF, highly sought after NCAA recruit however he'll sign) 11. Zach Fish (good speed and contact) Highest Potential: Rodon (All-Star ace) Biggest Steal: Montes De Oca (unlikely to sign), Jake Jarvis Power: Ryan Jones, Zach Fish Contact: Ryan Leonards, Jake Jarvis, Lechich Speed: John Ziznewski Baserunner: Ziznewski, Gross, Moore Glove: Jarvis Eyes: Austin Tools: Jarvis, Fish, Ziznewski Fastball: Rodon, Adams, Montes De Oca Change-up: Montes De Oca, Choplick Curve: Cooper Sinker: Montes De Oca Slider: Rodon Most interesting delivery: Brewster (wanna see video, sounds insane) Earliest ETA: Rodon (14 in Pen, 15 in rotation) Biggest Project: Montes De Oca My Favorite Pick: Rodon My Favorite Prospect: Brewster, Montes De Oca, Rodon, Adams, Jarvis My Favorite Position Player: Jarvis, Fish Can't wait to see what this kids can do and who signs, I bet we sign most except for the late HSers. Montes De Oca is a really interesting case and can't wait to see how that plays out. I also think Jarvis signs and signs fairly quickly. Finally, How I would have drafted disregarding the slots: 1. Rodon 2. Adams 3. Fry/ DeCarr/ Greiner/ Cosart 4. Montgomery 5. Jake Reed 6. 7. Joey Pankake (wanted him badly, unbelievable talent offensively and glove, Hahn will regret this) 8. Jeff Gardner 9. Wetzler 9if possible) 10. Jarvis Edited June 9, 2014 by knightni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 You probably might want to change best slider to Rodon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Curious as to how you ranked Montes de Oca as the best changeup, from what I read he has a plus fastball, a curve that could be plus, and he has rarely used the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 11:33 AM) You probably might want to change best slider to Rodon This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 12:33 PM) You probably might want to change best slider to Rodon Thanks for finding that mistake, haha, too much words and research Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 12:36 PM) Curious as to how you ranked Montes de Oca as the best changeup, from what I read he has a plus fastball, a curve that could be plus, and he has rarely used the change. Drops significantly down to 87, doesn't use it much but he does feature it, has great 11-5 curve too and powerful fastball, I really hope we can sign him but I doubt it, should be an interesting case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I think Adams has higher potential than Danish without a doubt. We have no idea how these groundouts numbers will translate for Danish. Adams stuff is much more traditional and has a great frame to fill out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 12:50 PM) I think Adams has higher potential than Danish without a doubt. We have no idea how these groundouts numbers will translate for Danish. Adams stuff is much more traditional and has a great frame to fill out. Yeah I agree, regardless of stuff I remember being shocked when we drafted Danish last year as he wasn't ranked anywhere in the Top 100 prospects. Then I saw how dominate he was in FL HS and how good he is now and became a big fan. Adams was a potential first rounder so I'll say he has a higher ceiling than Danish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Spencer Adams has front of the rotation upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I think our biggest steal was Spencer Adams. I know of a few experts who were convinced he was going to the Dodgers at #22, and probably would have if not for Holmes falling to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Loved the first 2 picks. Didn't care for the 3rd (low ceiling). Don't know enough about the rest or the alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Wow, didn't realize Keith Law had Bryce Montes de Oca #32 overall on his big board. If we somehow find a way to sign him that would be a huge, huge win. Also, I don't see Jake Jarvis on BA's top 500? Am I missing something? I thought he was highly regarded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Are we all guessing that Montes De Oca will be something we won't know until we see Adams and Rodon in the fold? From what I've seen people think it will take 7 figures. I can't imagine we can generate that much with Rodon and Adams going over slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 12:32 PM) Are we all guessing that Montes De Oca will be something we won't know until we see Adams and Rodon in the fold? From what I've seen people think it will take 7 figures. I can't imagine we can generate that much with Rodon and Adams going over slot. At the very least. He could be a last day signing for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 University of Missouri is also an incredible school. Once in a lifetime shot there. Nobody could turn that down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 July 18th is the signing deadline for non-college seniors so we will know what happens by then. Boras probably won't start negotiating with the Sox until that morning so odds are long that they will have enough time/money left over to sign Bryce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 12:43 PM) University of Missouri is also an incredible school. Once in a lifetime shot there. Nobody could turn that down. LOL. In all seriousness, if the Sox scrape together half a million dollars, plus a full ride, it will be interesting to see what he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 12:56 PM) LOL. In all seriousness, if the Sox scrape together half a million dollars, plus a full ride, it will be interesting to see what he does. I don't know how anyone could turn that down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 01:14 PM) I don't know how anyone could turn that down. Not many scouts would of batted an eye if he was selected in the 2nd round and those slot values ranged from 1 to 1.5 million. And that's him coming off of TJ surgery, if he preforms well in college he could be top 10 pick in the 2017 draft. It might be half a million dollars now, but it could be 2-4 million dollars in a couple years and the fun and excitement of college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 12:56 PM) LOL. In all seriousness, if the Sox scrape together half a million dollars, plus a full ride, it will be interesting to see what he does. If we come in exactly at slot for the first 10 picks and are willing to pay the tax the Sox can offer him about $590,000 which would put him at about the middle of the third round in terms of bonus. That will be really tough for a guy who has already had Tommy John once to turn down. He would basically be having to bet that he actually stays healthy for the next 3 years and that he pitches well enough to get taken in the first two rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 01:22 PM) Not many scouts would of batted an eye if he was selected in the 2nd round and those slot values ranged from 1 to 1.5 million. And that's him coming off of TJ surgery, if he preforms well in college he could be top 10 pick in the 2017 draft. It might be half a million dollars now, but it could be 2-4 million dollars in a couple years and the fun and excitement of college. One more arm injury and he could also be looking at a signing bonus of about $5,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 01:24 PM) If we come in exactly at slot for the first 10 picks and are willing to pay the tax the Sox can offer him about $590,000 which would put him at about the middle of the third round in terms of bonus. That will be really tough for a guy who has already had Tommy John once to turn down. He would basically be having to bet that he actually stays healthy for the next 3 years and that he pitches well enough to get taken in the first two rounds. IIRC, it is more like $475k It is 5% of $9.5 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 So, if sox can scrape below slot for 10 rounds and offer him 575k plus a full ride, what does that mean for a prospect? Is he going to college during his minor league career? is it like military where he can utilize 4 years of a state school education at any point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 01:26 PM) IIRC, it is more like $475k It is 5% of $9.5 million. I thought I saw we had $9.8 but didn't check it myself. In that case we could offer him about $575,000 since the first $100,000 doesn't count against the pool. That $15k probably wouldn't change much either way. If the Sox are below slot at all after signing the first 10 picks they are going to be able to put together a package that is very tough for Montes to pass up on. Now with having to sign Rodon and Adams that probably isn't likely but you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 01:24 PM) If we come in exactly at slot for the first 10 picks and are willing to pay the tax the Sox can offer him about $590,000 which would put him at about the middle of the third round in terms of bonus. That will be really tough for a guy who has already had Tommy John once to turn down. He would basically be having to bet that he actually stays healthy for the next 3 years and that he pitches well enough to get taken in the first two rounds. I bet we have to go overslot with Rodon and Adams, but we can go way underslot with a lot of the seniors they drafted too. If they could get three potential frontline SP pitching prospects signed (Rodon, Adams, Montes de Oca) gotta be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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