Trade Winds Forum?

[Y2Jimmy0]

Now would be a great time to try to buy low on a couple of guys: Marlins RHP Jacob Turner (Demoted to the bullpen today) and Yasmani Grandal (White Sox were supposedly very interested in him in his draft year and he's most likely available).

[beautox]

Now would be a great time to try to buy low on a couple of guys: Marlins RHP Jacob Turner (Demoted to the bullpen today) and Yasmani Grandal (White Sox were supposedly very interested in him in his draft year and he's most likely available).

I would love to buy low on both of them, Grandal's problems from what i've watched (alot on mlb.tv) appears to be him selling out his eye for power as witnessed by his career high ISO of .188 and his career high in k% @ 27% and career low in bb% @ 10.4%, His O contact swing % has taken a huge hit as well from his normal 70ish% down to 57%.

 

As for turner would love to see him on the southside i think his two seamer and GB% would play very nicely here.

[Quin]

I would love to buy low on both of them, Grandal's problems from what i've watched (alot on mlb.tv) appears to be him selling out his eye for power as witnessed by his career high ISO of .188 and his career high in k% @ 27% and career low in bb% @ 10.4%, His O contact swing % has taken a huge hit as well from his normal 70ish% down to 57%.

 

As for turner would love to see him on the southside i think his two seamer and GB% would play very nicely here.

 

I'm with this. I think they could both be fantastic buy-low candidates.

[witesoxfan]

They can't possibly buyers. Well I guess they could, but it's wishing on a star, believing that this team will seriously contend. it's far more likely that they finish last than first.

Don't waste an opportunity to acquire young talent.

 

You don't sell off pieces for the future for an upgrade for solely 2014. You make moves similar to the trades for Garcia, Contreras, and Peavy in the past with some possibility of helping this year but with an eye towards next season.

[caulfield12]

You don't sell off pieces for the future for an upgrade for solely 2014. You make moves similar to the trades for Garcia, Contreras, and Peavy in the past with some possibility of helping this year but with an eye towards next season.

 

 

And keep looking for the equivalents of Humber and Noesi to solidify the back end of your rotation so you don't have to overpay to acquire a veteran free agent like Nolasco, Peavy, Josh Johnson, Feldman, Erwin Santana, Jimenez, etc. Due diligence on every arm out there like Cahill or Romero (or Tommie Hanson/Mulder, rehabbing) that's mysteriously non-performing where Cooper might have identified a fix.

 

Same thing with the bullpen...keep searching for the Guerra's, Rodriguez'es, Cletos, Boggses, Belisarios, Putnams and mix them in with Webb/Petricka to provide a nice balance of veterans and younger/cheaper guys.

 

Obviously, catching and LH power hitting will be the most elusive to find in this manner.

Edited June 17, 2014 by caulfield12

[GreenSox]

You don't sell off pieces for the future for an upgrade for solely 2014. You make moves similar to the trades for Garcia, Contreras, and Peavy in the past with some possibility of helping this year but with an eye towards next season.

I would say absolutely not, except for perhaps something like the trade for Contreras.

This org is not a year away from winning with this rotation and a AAA rotation that includes Axe and Veal.

[caulfield12]

I would say absolutely not, except for perhaps something like the trade for Contreras.

This org is not a year away from winning with this rotation and a AAA rotation that includes Axe and Veal.

 

 

Don't forget Heath and Surkamp.

[witesoxfan]

I would say absolutely not, except for perhaps something like the trade for Contreras.

This org is not a year away from winning with this rotation and a AAA rotation that includes Axe and Veal.

 

As always, it depends. If the Padres made players like Gyorko or Grandal available, or the Phillies made Dominic Brown available, or whatever other examples could possibly exist, you consider it. A lot of those guys have lower stocks, but you never, ever rule anything out.

 

Of course, I'm not suggesting they give up significant pieces to go after David Price this year either.

[caulfield12]

http://www.freep.com/article/20140617/SPORTS02/306170058/

 

Some early speculation about both Huston Street and/or Balfour moving, possibly to bolster the Tigers' bullpen (Joe Bowden).

[southsider2k5]

http://www.freep.com/article/20140617/SPORTS02/306170058/

 

Some early speculation about both Huston Street and/or Balfour moving, possibly to bolster the Tigers' bullpen (Joe Bowden).

 

Hopefully the Tigers panic, and overreact here. That would be awesome. Trade away more of your future.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

Great! Tigers farm sucks already. Keep selling off your good prospects.

[GreenSox]

The AAA rotation has less bearing on the future of this rotation than you'd think. We have three guys that you know what you're getting from them (Sale, Q, Danks) and they are probably slated as a #1, #2 and #4. Then we have Carlos Rodon who may very well be in the rotation this time next year, Erik Johnson who was looked as a solid 3/4 three months ago and a boatload of money to spend. I am not as much worried about the rotation as I am the middle of the order, the defense and the health of the team moving forward. And every team in the bigs is worried about the last-menitoned concern.

Ideally, you need 8 or 9 ready to go to be safe and to give yourself some flexibility. Pick 5, keep 2 in AAA, put 2 in the pen. That's ideal. 7 is a necessity.

A pitiful Charlotte rotation with zero prospects (we'll see about Johnson) isn't necessarily probative of rotation problems, but in our case it is: Because we don't have any prospects with high ceilings in AA, and, regardless of ceiling, they are 2 years from the major anyway.

Oh sure we can rush Rodon after he was hard used all spring, and considering we have limited years available to use him anyway (with Boras as his agent, the odds of getting one of those compromise extensions are near zilch).

Then next year we can have Sale, Q, Rodon, Danks and Rienzo (who's okay for a 5) and say we're ready to go!. Get one injury and we're back in a mess.

Build this right.

Edited June 18, 2014 by GreenSox

[southsider2k5]

You need 8 or 9 ready to go to b safe and to give yourself some flexibility. Pick 5, keep 2 in AAA, put 2 in the pen.

A pitiful Charlotte rotation with zero prospects (we'll see about Johnson) isn't necessarily probative of rotation problems, but in our case it is: Because we don't have any prospects with high ceilings in AA, and, regardless of ceiling, they are 2 years from the major anyway.

Oh sure we can rush Rodon after he was hard used all spring, and considering we have limited years available to use him anyway (with Boras as his agent, the odds of getting one of those compromise extensions are near zilch).

Then next year we can have Sale, Q, Rodon, Danks and Rienzo (who's okay for a 5) and say we're ready to go!. Get one injury and we're back in a mess.

Build this right.

 

Who has 8 or 9 ML ready starting pitchers?

[GGajewski18]

Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo · 1h

#Yankees are getting lots of calls on John Ryan Murphy, as @jaspsch writes for @mlbdailydish: http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2014/6/18/5821...ls-for-recently …

 

This could be us.

[NCsoxfan]

Trade for David Price?

 

3. Chicago White Sox

The White Sox haven't really been linked to Price, but it's time to realize they are committed to rebuilding and winning, and Price would make them a legitimate wild-card contender this year. Rick Hahn has done a masterful job since taking over as the GM in Chicago, highlighted by his outbidding everyone for MVP candidate Jose Abreu, who should be the starting first baseman in the All-Star Game next month. President Ken Williams and owner Jerry Reinsdorf know what it's like to hold up a World Series trophy in the White House, and with Williams' passion for winning and Reinsdorf's willingness to spend smartly to win, a potential trade for Price should not be dismissed. Remember when the White Sox flew under the radar and outbid everyone for Jake Peavy? I can see them doing it again here.

 

The Rays could ask for second baseman Micah Johnson, who has quickly proven himself in the minor leagues to the tune of a .297 average and .371 on-base percentage. Johnson has good speed, and his defense is improving. Most importantly, he profiles as a leadoff hitter, the type of table-setter the Rays need atop their lineup. The Rays would need another significant piece in the deal, and struggling starting pitcher Erik Johnson could be the guy who makes the deal work. He was impressive in 2012 and 2013, when he showed plus stuff, and was in the team's rotation to start the season, but five failed starts got him shipped to the minors, where he continues to struggle. A physical would have to be done, of course, but if he's cleared, there's no reason he can't bounce back and develop into a solid No. 3 starter. Solving problems at second base and the top of the lineup while adding another solid starter might be enough to get Price at the end of the day. Since this package is "light" compared to the previous two deals, a throw-in such as right-handed pitching prospect Chris Beck would be necessary.

 

The trade: Micah Johnson, Erik Johnson and Chris Beck for Price.

[GGajewski18]

Trade for David Price?

 

3. Chicago White Sox

The White Sox haven't really been linked to Price, but it's time to realize they are committed to rebuilding and winning, and Price would make them a legitimate wild-card contender this year. Rick Hahn has done a masterful job since taking over as the GM in Chicago, highlighted by his outbidding everyone for MVP candidate Jose Abreu, who should be the starting first baseman in the All-Star Game next month. President Ken Williams and owner Jerry Reinsdorf know what it's like to hold up a World Series trophy in the White House, and with Williams' passion for winning and Reinsdorf's willingness to spend smartly to win, a potential trade for Price should not be dismissed. Remember when the White Sox flew under the radar and outbid everyone for Jake Peavy? I can see them doing it again here.

 

The Rays could ask for second baseman Micah Johnson, who has quickly proven himself in the minor leagues to the tune of a .297 average and .371 on-base percentage. Johnson has good speed, and his defense is improving. Most importantly, he profiles as a leadoff hitter, the type of table-setter the Rays need atop their lineup. The Rays would need another significant piece in the deal, and struggling starting pitcher Erik Johnson could be the guy who makes the deal work. He was impressive in 2012 and 2013, when he showed plus stuff, and was in the team's rotation to start the season, but five failed starts got him shipped to the minors, where he continues to struggle. A physical would have to be done, of course, but if he's cleared, there's no reason he can't bounce back and develop into a solid No. 3 starter. Solving problems at second base and the top of the lineup while adding another solid starter might be enough to get Price at the end of the day. Since this package is "light" compared to the previous two deals, a throw-in such as right-handed pitching prospect Chris Beck would be necessary.

 

The trade: Micah Johnson, Erik Johnson and Chris Beck for Price.

 

Is this from a website, and how old is this? Because I would do that deal in a second.

 

[southsider2k5]

Trade for David Price?

 

3. Chicago White Sox

The White Sox haven't really been linked to Price, but it's time to realize they are committed to rebuilding and winning, and Price would make them a legitimate wild-card contender this year. Rick Hahn has done a masterful job since taking over as the GM in Chicago, highlighted by his outbidding everyone for MVP candidate Jose Abreu, who should be the starting first baseman in the All-Star Game next month. President Ken Williams and owner Jerry Reinsdorf know what it's like to hold up a World Series trophy in the White House, and with Williams' passion for winning and Reinsdorf's willingness to spend smartly to win, a potential trade for Price should not be dismissed. Remember when the White Sox flew under the radar and outbid everyone for Jake Peavy? I can see them doing it again here.

 

The Rays could ask for second baseman Micah Johnson, who has quickly proven himself in the minor leagues to the tune of a .297 average and .371 on-base percentage. Johnson has good speed, and his defense is improving. Most importantly, he profiles as a leadoff hitter, the type of table-setter the Rays need atop their lineup. The Rays would need another significant piece in the deal, and struggling starting pitcher Erik Johnson could be the guy who makes the deal work. He was impressive in 2012 and 2013, when he showed plus stuff, and was in the team's rotation to start the season, but five failed starts got him shipped to the minors, where he continues to struggle. A physical would have to be done, of course, but if he's cleared, there's no reason he can't bounce back and develop into a solid No. 3 starter. Solving problems at second base and the top of the lineup while adding another solid starter might be enough to get Price at the end of the day. Since this package is "light" compared to the previous two deals, a throw-in such as right-handed pitching prospect Chris Beck would be necessary.

 

The trade: Micah Johnson, Erik Johnson and Chris Beck for Price.

 

There is no way on God's green earth that the price for David Price is that cheap.

 

[NCsoxfan]

Is this from a website, and how old is this? Because I would do that deal in a second.

 

ESPN Insider from today

[NCsoxfan]

1. Los Angeles Angels

The Angels appear to be the favorite to win the American League's first wild-card berth, and they actually have a legitimate shot of overtaking the Oakland A's and winning the West. A deal for Price would certainly seal the deal, and the Angels have enough to make it work. They might not have the young starting pitching the Rays would ideally seek, but they do have the bats to get it done. C.J. Cron would have to be the central piece in the deal, and given his potential to develop into a 30-homer, middle-of-the-lineup hitter, he'd be a perfect fit for the Rays, who are trying to build the middle of their lineup to complement Evan Longoria and Wil Myers. Sure, the Rays have James Loney signed for two more years, but the Rays could have Cron and Loney share the first base and DH slots until Loney's deal is up, or they could trade Loney this offseason, given his affordable contract.

 

The Rays also would need a second good player, and Alex Yarbrough, the Angels' second-round selection in the 2012 draft, is a player they have targeted. Yarbrough could be their long-term solution at second base, a position they'll likely need to fill with Ben Zobrist expected to leave via trade this season or free agency this offseason. The Angels can afford to give up Cron, considering Mike Trout, Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton are all signed to long-term deals and anchor the middle of their lineup. And with top prospect Taylor Lindsey also at second base, Yarbrough could be dealt. The Angels have the resources available to attain Price for the next year and a half, and if he does well, the team could sign him long-term after that. Adding Price to a rotation that already includes Jered Weaver, C.J. Wilson and Garrett Richards would make the Angels a serious World Series threat.

 

The trade: C.J. Cron and Alex Yarbrough for Price.

 

2. Toronto Blue Jays

The Blue Jays are in a similar situation to the Angels, as they are probably one top-of-the-rotation pitcher away from winning the AL East and being a serious postseason threat. Although the Rays would no doubt prefer to trade Price outside the division (or the league, for that matter), the Blue Jays are one of the few teams that can offer the Rays exactly what they want: a potential No. 1 starter. A deal involving Aaron Sanchez and a throw-in for Price would probably work for both teams. It would give the Jays a chance to win the AL East in a year in which the division is down overall, and with Price joining Mark Buehrle, R.A. Dickey and Drew Hutchison, the team would have the chance to run the table in October.

 

The Jays likely would prefer to put Marcus Stroman in the deal instead of Sanchez, but the Rays seem to prefer Sanchez. Sanchez needs to work on his command and control, and though he doesn't have Cy Young potential, he would fit in nicely with Matt Moore, Alex Cobb and Chris Archer as the Rays build their future rotation. Right-handed pitching prospect Alberto Tirado, who is only 19 years old, is having a down year, but he'd be a perfect throw-in and someday could develop into a quality setup reliever. The Rays could take advantage of his stock being down and get him in this deal.

 

The trade: Aaron Sanchez and Alberto Tirado for Price.

[witesoxfan]

If the price were Micah Johnson, Erik Johnson, and Chris Beck, I'd drive down from ND to take them to the airport, I'd wait there, and I'd take David Price to USCF for his introductory news conference.

[Chisoxfn]

If the price were Micah Johnson, Erik Johnson, and Chris Beck, I'd drive down from ND to take them to the airport, I'd wait there, and I'd take David Price to USCF for his introductory news conference.

Agreed; That is the most absurdly lopsided deal possible. You do that all day long and if you fall out of contention repackage him. Is Price a FA at the end of the year? The Angels package is far stronger since Cron is a legit corner infielder.

[Kyyle23]

ESPN Insider from today

 

Be careful with what you post from there, truncate and synopsize it. Pay sites don't normally like when you post their stuff

[Quin]

If the price were Micah Johnson, Erik Johnson, and Chris Beck, I'd drive down from ND to take them to the airport, I'd wait there, and I'd take David Price to USCF for his introductory news conference.

 

f*** it. Go into next year with 5 lefties if we can.

 

Sale, Price, Rodon, Q, Danks.

 

Lefty domination.

[NCsoxfan]

Be careful with what you post from there, truncate and synopsize it. Pay sites don't normally like when you post their stuff

 

Good call - why I just posted part of it

[Bigsoxhurt35]

Trade for David Price?

 

3. Chicago White Sox

The White Sox haven't really been linked to Price, but it's time to realize they are committed to rebuilding and winning, and Price would make them a legitimate wild-card contender this year. Rick Hahn has done a masterful job since taking over as the GM in Chicago, highlighted by his outbidding everyone for MVP candidate Jose Abreu, who should be the starting first baseman in the All-Star Game next month. President Ken Williams and owner Jerry Reinsdorf know what it's like to hold up a World Series trophy in the White House, and with Williams' passion for winning and Reinsdorf's willingness to spend smartly to win, a potential trade for Price should not be dismissed. Remember when the White Sox flew under the radar and outbid everyone for Jake Peavy? I can see them doing it again here.

 

The Rays could ask for second baseman Micah Johnson, who has quickly proven himself in the minor leagues to the tune of a .297 average and .371 on-base percentage. Johnson has good speed, and his defense is improving. Most importantly, he profiles as a leadoff hitter, the type of table-setter the Rays need atop their lineup. The Rays would need another significant piece in the deal, and struggling starting pitcher Erik Johnson could be the guy who makes the deal work. He was impressive in 2012 and 2013, when he showed plus stuff, and was in the team's rotation to start the season, but five failed starts got him shipped to the minors, where he continues to struggle. A physical would have to be done, of course, but if he's cleared, there's no reason he can't bounce back and develop into a solid No. 3 starter. Solving problems at second base and the top of the lineup while adding another solid starter might be enough to get Price at the end of the day. Since this package is "light" compared to the previous two deals, a throw-in such as right-handed pitching prospect Chris Beck would be necessary.

 

The trade: Micah Johnson, Erik Johnson and Chris Beck for Price.

 

I love Micah Johnson but I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. But only if we extended. Since we don't have many promising hitters in our farm. Micah is key.