iamshack Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 09:38 AM) Personally no, unless it was a playoff game or something. If I am going to Vegas im doing Vegas-type s***. Maybe not everyone is a big drinker and gambler. The stadium would be located downtown...right next to all the "vegas type s***." I think you're nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 11:40 AM) The stadium would be located downtown...right next to all the "vegas type s***." I think you're nuts. Yes but can I gamble and play blackjack during the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 09:45 AM) Yes but can I gamble and play blackjack during the game? I wouldn't be shocked if you could, to be honest. You can play blackjack in the damn pools now. But seriously, you're talking about a two-hour window here...there are plenty of folks who carve out 2 hours to do things besides gamble...restaurants/shows/pool/shopping...you're taking this a bit to the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Honestly, if Vegas is going to rely on Tourists to fill out the stadium rather than a stable season ticket base, than it is a really bad choice. I hear jacksonville is an up and coming spot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 11:48 AM) I wouldn't be shocked if you could, to be honest. You can play blackjack in the damn pools now. But seriously, you're talking about a two-hour window here...there are plenty of folks who carve out 2 hours to do things besides gamble...restaurants/shows/pool/shopping...you're taking this a bit to the extreme. No, I said personally I wouldnt want to, which is 100% accurate. I am lucky I know what time of the day it is when I am there. And I LOVE watching games in the sportsbooks or something like Emeril Stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 09:50 AM) No, I said personally I wouldnt want to, which is 100% accurate. I am lucky I know what time of the day it is when I am there. And I LOVE watching games in the sportsbooks or something like Emeril Stadium. I understand what you are saying about yourself. I disagree that is a representation of most Hawks fans or NHL fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 10:56 AM) Just curious...why? QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 11:00 AM) IMO not a great fanbase and the ice would suck That's part of it. It just seems gimmicky, and I don't think a team there has staying power. I don't think you're going to have a real strong fan base. How long can you live off the opposing team's fans, and the newness of having a team there? I could just see it going bad after a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 09:50 AM) Honestly, if Vegas is going to rely on Tourists to fill out the stadium rather than a stable season ticket base, than it is a really bad choice. I hear jacksonville is an up and coming spot! I didn't say they would rely on tourists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 11:16 AM) Expansion to 4 teams and that does NOT include Hartford? Meh. Bring back the Whale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 11:36 AM) No, I am saying people will use their team playing there as an excuse to go there, not them randomly being here when their team is here. When my friends and I go see the Sox or Bears on the road, we choose the coolest cities/stadiums. We then go see the game(s) and then spend the remainder of our time exploring the city. You honestly don't think Hawks fans would plan trips to Vegas to see the Hawks play here? I just don't buy that whatsoever. Some would. But that isn't going to be enough to sustain a team. Heck places like Phoenix and Florida have millions of northerner transplants living there year round, and still can't fill a hockey arena.` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 10:15 AM) Some would. But that isn't going to be enough to sustain a team. Heck places like Phoenix and Florida have millions of northerner transplants living there year round, and still can't fill a hockey arena.` That's why I specifically said it wouldn't. I just said it would help. Vegas has a few million residents, and no other professional sports teams. I don't know that it would work out in the end either, but I don't think Phoenix and Miami are good examples because these are places with many other sports teams. Honestly, the best idea I've heard in terms of getting professional sports here is the MNF idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 You also have to think about TV revenue. It's one thing for locals to be excited to finally have a pro team and attend a hockey game. It's another for them to watch a game on TV at 4:00 local time on a weekday vs the Hurricanes or Panthers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 10:31 AM) You also have to think about TV revenue. It's one thing for locals to be excited to finally have a pro team and attend a hockey game. It's another for them to watch a game on TV at 4:00 local time on a weekday vs the Hurricanes or Panthers. Why would it be on at 4 pm? Edit: Oh, you mean the road games...yes, well, I'm sure the west coast has dealt with that already... Edited August 27, 2014 by iamshack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Re: Vegas I will need to do some digging, but I'm pretty sure I've seen labor reports that indicate that Vegas has a much higher percentage of residents who work 2nd shift compared to other major cities. Regardless of whether you are relying on tourists or locals to fill the stadiums and watch games on TV, you have an awful lot of them who are already busy during the hours that sporting events are typically played. It's almost like you have to treat Vegas as a metro area that is 20-30% smaller than it really is because of the unavailability of the population during the evening hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 11:54 AM) Re: Vegas I will need to do some digging, but I'm pretty sure I've seen labor reports that indicate that Vegas has a much higher percentage of residents who work 2nd shift compared to other major cities. Regardless of whether you are relying on tourists or locals to fill the stadiums and watch games on TV, you have an awful lot of them who are already busy during the hours that sporting events are typically played. It's almost like you have to treat Vegas as a metro area that is 20-30% smaller than it really is because of the unavailability of the population during the evening hours. Yeah, for sure...the hospitality industry and the convention industries being the two largest industries by far, I'm sure that is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I think Seattle would be a great place for a hockey team. Dilute some of those s***ty Canucks fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Are the Coyotes still struggling? Move them if anything. Hope to keep some of that base, even if it's small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 02:13 PM) Are the Coyotes still struggling? Move them if anything. Hope to keep some of that base, even if it's small. Yeah, that is a dead franchise for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 02:27 PM) Yeah, that is a dead franchise for the most part. But now it's Arizona, and that changes everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 11:54 AM) Re: Vegas I will need to do some digging, but I'm pretty sure I've seen labor reports that indicate that Vegas has a much higher percentage of residents who work 2nd shift compared to other major cities. Regardless of whether you are relying on tourists or locals to fill the stadiums and watch games on TV, you have an awful lot of them who are already busy during the hours that sporting events are typically played. It's almost like you have to treat Vegas as a metro area that is 20-30% smaller than it really is because of the unavailability of the population during the evening hours. You have massive hotels that would buy up tons of season seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 02:37 PM) But now it's Arizona, and that changes everything. They should have let Jerry take over that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I do think opposing team fans would plan trips around heading to Vegas to see their team. I'm not sure if there are enough fans there to sustain a team. I don't know if this is 100% accurate, but I've always had the thought that fans in the SW just aren't hockey fans in general. Not all of them would pick it up if there were a team. Wouldn't the heat in Vegas be too bad for an MLS team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 QUOTE (farmteam @ Aug 27, 2014 -> 09:21 PM) I do think opposing team fans would plan trips around heading to Vegas to see their team. I'm not sure if there are enough fans there to sustain a team. I don't know if this is 100% accurate, but I've always had the thought that fans in the SW just aren't hockey fans in general. Not all of them would pick it up if there were a team. Wouldn't the heat in Vegas be too bad for an MLS team? Just not 41 teams a year, season after season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 You have massive hotels that would buy up tons of season seats. Not sure about that. Between gambling, dining and entertainment, the mega hotel/casinos are making their biggest bank during the same hours these hockey games are going to be played. Are casinos really going to comp guests with an event ticket that sends them outside of the casino during prime time? I could see a few of the highest-end properties getting suites to entertain their whales, but I don't see the average property comping their average gambler with hockey tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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