Steve9347 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:20 AM) This is a message board, you feel one way, not everyone is going to agree. I've given my reasons as to why I don't like Love, and I'm not the only one who feels that way. Works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:53 AM) Charlotte is much better than say the Knicks. I think Charlotte finishes with the 6-8 seed. Which is the very definition of NBA Hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:42 AM) In a world where Marvin Williams gets $7 million, I'm amazed 23-year old Lance Stephenson only gets $9 per. I have to say, I think there was a lot of GM chatter about Stephenson. He is the next Dennis Rodman or Ron Artest. There is a subset of teams that won't touch him, no matter what the price. That limits his market greatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:46 AM) I'll say it 100 times, I'd rather have Lance then Pau. A lineup with Lance in it is better then the alternative. A wing starter who can score (and in this case also play lock down d) was a far bigger priority then another big. I like the Pau move and I think the Bulls are better but Stephenson should have been a higher priority, especially at this money. Plus, Stephenson is a bigger asset moving forward to help you from the perspective of potentially trading for a star. That said, I think Pau is a great fit, its just with Mirotic on board, I'd have rather upgraded our back-court some more (although I love the depth we have down low right now and I also don't know enough about Mirotic and what Bulls think he's capable of early on, but they are paying him to be a productive player from the get go). The Bulls locker room is a pretty clean and tight unit. They have a clear leadership, and a clear expectation of how to handle yourself. A guy like Stevenson could well destroy a lot of that. It is hard to account for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:49 AM) Just once, ONCE, just for kicks, I'd love to see Gasol run a pick and roll with Noah. I'd love to see a team try to defend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I think the Stephenson stuff is so overblown. He's a good player who acted like a douchebag a couple of times on national TV. So f***ing what. Just about every player in the NBA acts like a douchebag at some point. Also, he's going to get a better deal out of this because he's only signing for 3 years. Like Lebron, and unlike Melo, they're going to be able to take advantage of the new TV money (NBA is asking for double what they currently have), which is going to raise the max salary limits. Melo is locked in, these other guys aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 10:27 AM) That is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 10:38 AM) I'd love to see a team try to defend it. Wouldn't the big defenders just switch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 08:38 AM) The Bulls locker room is a pretty clean and tight unit. They have a clear leadership, and a clear expectation of how to handle yourself. A guy like Stevenson could well destroy a lot of that. It is hard to account for that. By definition that is the exact type of locker room that should be able to handle a guy like Stephenson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 08:39 AM) I think the Stephenson stuff is so overblown. He's a good player who acted like a douchebag a couple of times on national TV. So f***ing what. Just about every player in the NBA acts like a douchebag at some point. Also, he's going to get a better deal out of this because he's only signing for 3 years. Like Lebron, and unlike Melo, they're going to be able to take advantage of the new TV money (NBA is asking for double what they currently have), which is going to raise the max salary limits. Melo is locked in, these other guys aren't. Melo doesn't have an opt out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 10:54 AM) Melo doesn't have an opt out? After 4 it looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) Sooo...There's WAR in basketball now I guess....WAR says Jimmy Butler> Lance Stephenson, and Lance is not a "lockdown defender". DRPM has both Jimmy and Kirk better defensively. Another fun "fact" when looking at these stats Dunleavy was better both offensively and defensively than Deng. I have no clue what the hell any of that means, but it's still a little interesting to me. Edited July 16, 2014 by scs787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 10:53 AM) By definition that is the exact type of locker room that should be able to handle a guy like Stephenson. The Pacers thought the same thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I really don't know what to think of Lance Stephenson. I usually don't give a damn about character issues if the person isn't a hardcore criminal but something wasn't right with the Pacers at the end of last season and he was clearly part of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 11:18 AM) Sooo...There's WAR in basketball now I guess....WAR says Jimmy Butler> Lance Stephenson, and Lance is not a "lockdown defender". DRPM has both Jimmy and Kirk better defensively. I have no clue what the hell any of that means, but it's still a little interesting to me. I'm still a bit unsure of how good RPM is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:58 AM) Charlotte is very interesting now. As dumb as Jordan was for a couple years, they were a rigged lottery from having Anthony Davis. They instead got Michael KG, which, bad pick, but switch those two and people are terrified. Or if they just drafted someone with an NBA skill set like Bradley Beal. Jordan wasn't the only one in love with MKG but man, that was a horrid pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Indiana was supposed to be an amazingly well-run unit until s*** like this started to happen http://deadspin.com/report-pacers-had-fist...me-1-1566493478 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 So the Pacers starting backcourt is currently George Hill and CJ Miles....yikes...And we think the Bulls have guard issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 11:33 AM) So the Pacers starting backcourt is currently George Hill and CJ Miles....yikes...And we think the Bulls have guard issues. The Pacers are irrelevant at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:19 AM) The Pacers thought the same thing... Ummm...Pacers had a million issues. Last thing they had was a good clubhouse. Hibbert has had mental issues for some time and George had other off the court stuff impacting him. The two clubhouses aren't remotely comparable. All of the Pacers blow-up happened after they dumped their leader too (Granger) and replaced him with Turner. Bulls lockeroom is full of vet leaders that I presume we don't plan on dumping. From Noah to Taj to Hinrich to Rose. Obviously we have some new faces coming in but you come to the Bulls and you immediately know the aforementioned 4 guys are your leaders and they aren't going to put up with guf (nor is our head coach). I put Rose in there because by all intents and purposes he has the lockeroom controlled and while not vocal the way he acts sets some serious examples and the vocal guys like Noah / Taj / Hinrich can help exemplify it. You also have seasoned vets like MJD as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:21 AM) I really don't know what to think of Lance Stephenson. I usually don't give a damn about character issues if the person isn't a hardcore criminal but something wasn't right with the Pacers at the end of last season and he was clearly part of that. Evan Turner was a disaster and they dropped their primary (and relatively only) locker room leader in Danny Granger last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 05:43 PM) All of the Pacers blow-up happened after they dumped their leader too (Granger) and replaced him with Granger. seems like a lateral move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I now wish we didn't trade Deng in a salary dump last year. We feel we have a scary roster with plenty of depth and length right now, had we not trade Deng, we could have still made all the moves we made, and resign him with the Bird rights, and still stay under the tax apron, which frankly would have been a greater addition than anyone we can get in the FA market right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 10:08 AM) seems like a lateral move Lol. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 10:16 AM) I now wish we didn't trade Deng in a salary dump last year. We feel we have a scary roster with plenty of depth and length right now, had we not trade Deng, we could have still made all the moves we made, and resign him with the Bird rights, and still stay under the tax apron, which frankly would have been a greater addition than anyone we can get in the FA market right now. One of Pau / Mirotic wouldn't be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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