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QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:20 AM)
This is a message board, you feel one way, not everyone is going to agree. I've given my reasons as to why I don't like Love, and I'm not the only one who feels that way.

Works for me.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:42 AM)
In a world where Marvin Williams gets $7 million, I'm amazed 23-year old Lance Stephenson only gets $9 per.

 

I have to say, I think there was a lot of GM chatter about Stephenson.

 

He is the next Dennis Rodman or Ron Artest. There is a subset of teams that won't touch him, no matter what the price. That limits his market greatly.

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:46 AM)
I'll say it 100 times, I'd rather have Lance then Pau. A lineup with Lance in it is better then the alternative. A wing starter who can score (and in this case also play lock down d) was a far bigger priority then another big. I like the Pau move and I think the Bulls are better but Stephenson should have been a higher priority, especially at this money. Plus, Stephenson is a bigger asset moving forward to help you from the perspective of potentially trading for a star. That said, I think Pau is a great fit, its just with Mirotic on board, I'd have rather upgraded our back-court some more (although I love the depth we have down low right now and I also don't know enough about Mirotic and what Bulls think he's capable of early on, but they are paying him to be a productive player from the get go).

 

The Bulls locker room is a pretty clean and tight unit. They have a clear leadership, and a clear expectation of how to handle yourself. A guy like Stevenson could well destroy a lot of that. It is hard to account for that.

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I think the Stephenson stuff is so overblown. He's a good player who acted like a douchebag a couple of times on national TV. So f***ing what. Just about every player in the NBA acts like a douchebag at some point.

 

Also, he's going to get a better deal out of this because he's only signing for 3 years. Like Lebron, and unlike Melo, they're going to be able to take advantage of the new TV money (NBA is asking for double what they currently have), which is going to raise the max salary limits. Melo is locked in, these other guys aren't.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 08:38 AM)
The Bulls locker room is a pretty clean and tight unit. They have a clear leadership, and a clear expectation of how to handle yourself. A guy like Stevenson could well destroy a lot of that. It is hard to account for that.

By definition that is the exact type of locker room that should be able to handle a guy like Stephenson.

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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 08:39 AM)
I think the Stephenson stuff is so overblown. He's a good player who acted like a douchebag a couple of times on national TV. So f***ing what. Just about every player in the NBA acts like a douchebag at some point.

 

Also, he's going to get a better deal out of this because he's only signing for 3 years. Like Lebron, and unlike Melo, they're going to be able to take advantage of the new TV money (NBA is asking for double what they currently have), which is going to raise the max salary limits. Melo is locked in, these other guys aren't.

Melo doesn't have an opt out?

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Sooo...There's WAR in basketball now I guess....WAR says Jimmy Butler> Lance Stephenson, and Lance is not a "lockdown defender". DRPM has both Jimmy and Kirk better defensively.

 

Another fun "fact" when looking at these stats Dunleavy was better both offensively and defensively than Deng.

 

I have no clue what the hell any of that means, but it's still a little interesting to me.

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I really don't know what to think of Lance Stephenson. I usually don't give a damn about character issues if the person isn't a hardcore criminal but something wasn't right with the Pacers at the end of last season and he was clearly part of that.

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QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 11:18 AM)
Sooo...There's WAR in basketball now I guess....WAR says Jimmy Butler> Lance Stephenson, and Lance is not a "lockdown defender". DRPM has both Jimmy and Kirk better defensively.

 

I have no clue what the hell any of that means, but it's still a little interesting to me.

 

I'm still a bit unsure of how good RPM is.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:58 AM)
Charlotte is very interesting now.

 

As dumb as Jordan was for a couple years, they were a rigged lottery from having Anthony Davis. They instead got Michael KG, which, bad pick, but switch those two and people are terrified.

Or if they just drafted someone with an NBA skill set like Bradley Beal. Jordan wasn't the only one in love with MKG but man, that was a horrid pick.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:19 AM)
The Pacers thought the same thing...

Ummm...Pacers had a million issues. Last thing they had was a good clubhouse. Hibbert has had mental issues for some time and George had other off the court stuff impacting him. The two clubhouses aren't remotely comparable. All of the Pacers blow-up happened after they dumped their leader too (Granger) and replaced him with Turner.

 

Bulls lockeroom is full of vet leaders that I presume we don't plan on dumping. From Noah to Taj to Hinrich to Rose. Obviously we have some new faces coming in but you come to the Bulls and you immediately know the aforementioned 4 guys are your leaders and they aren't going to put up with guf (nor is our head coach). I put Rose in there because by all intents and purposes he has the lockeroom controlled and while not vocal the way he acts sets some serious examples and the vocal guys like Noah / Taj / Hinrich can help exemplify it. You also have seasoned vets like MJD as well.

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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 09:21 AM)
I really don't know what to think of Lance Stephenson. I usually don't give a damn about character issues if the person isn't a hardcore criminal but something wasn't right with the Pacers at the end of last season and he was clearly part of that.

Evan Turner was a disaster and they dropped their primary (and relatively only) locker room leader in Danny Granger last year.

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I now wish we didn't trade Deng in a salary dump last year. We feel we have a scary roster with plenty of depth and length right now, had we not trade Deng, we could have still made all the moves we made, and resign him with the Bird rights, and still stay under the tax apron, which frankly would have been a greater addition than anyone we can get in the FA market right now.

 

 

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QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 16, 2014 -> 10:16 AM)
I now wish we didn't trade Deng in a salary dump last year. We feel we have a scary roster with plenty of depth and length right now, had we not trade Deng, we could have still made all the moves we made, and resign him with the Bird rights, and still stay under the tax apron, which frankly would have been a greater addition than anyone we can get in the FA market right now.

One of Pau / Mirotic wouldn't be here.

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