bmags Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 09:13 PM) Dude is near 30 on 200000000 nba minutes so far. At some point the HGH he injected in high school will wear off and the Kobe Doctors will be knocking. Point is Davis' basketball intangibles were off the chart. His effort to keep balls alive, to block shots toward his teammates were crazy. If he can stay healthy he's at least a KG level player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 07:18 PM) Dude is near 30 on 200000000 nba minutes so far. At some point the HGH he injected in high school will wear off and the Kobe Doctors will be knocking. Point is Davis' basketball intangibles were off the chart. His effort to keep balls alive, to block shots toward his teammates were crazy. If he can stay healthy he's at least a KG level player. But not better than LeBron this year or next - which was your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 So derrick's knees hurt. Lather, rinse, repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 It's just regular soreness. To be expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 The laughing keeps me from crying. But actually, it's to be expected. He had knee surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 10:26 PM) The laughing keeps me from crying. But actually, it's to be expected. He had knee surgery. Is that to be expected this far after surgery? Serious question, I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 10:44 PM) Is that to be expected this far after surgery? Serious question, I have no idea. I've only hyper-extended my knees/pinched nerves in them and it took long periods of time (took four years for me to no longer need a brace to play sports) after each one for the occasional ache to go away, so I'd imagine a pro athlete after surgery would be feeling it at least a year out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 03:44 AM) Is that to be expected this far after surgery? Serious question, I have no idea. I'm looking to how Westbrook rarely played back-to-backs and needed rest from same injury here. Rose will need rest throughout season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 09:52 AM) I'm looking to how Westbrook rarely played back-to-backs and needed rest from same injury here. Rose will need rest throughout season. The next player Thibs gives regularly scheduled rest to in order to keep him healthy will be the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 07:05 AM) The next player Thibs gives regularly scheduled rest to in order to keep him healthy will be the first. These Thibbs comments get old. The Bulls didn't play heavy minutes to their guys when they had the bench mob, with the exception of Deng, and at that point, they really didn't have another guy like Deng on the roster. Last year they played a lot of minutes to some of their top guys, but even then, a lot of that was driven by constant injuries more then anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 10:22 PM) It's just regular soreness. To be expected Thats what they told us about Braxton. Definitely something to worry about here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 11:17 AM) These Thibbs comments get old. The Bulls didn't play heavy minutes to their guys when they had the bench mob, with the exception of Deng, and at that point, they really didn't have another guy like Deng on the roster. Last year they played a lot of minutes to some of their top guys, but even then, a lot of that was driven by constant injuries more then anything else. Really? Last year, counting Deng the Bulls had 3 guys in the top 30 in minutes per game including the #2 guy in the league. Deng's minutes per game dropped by 4 after he was traded. Deng was at the top of the league in both 2011-2012 and 2012-2013. Rose was injured for half of the lockout season but the games he played he was still over 35 minutes per game. Butler, Noah, Rose, and Deng have all appeared in the top 15 in minutes per game under Thibs and they've had a guy in the top 2 each of the last 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 10:00 AM) Really? Last year, counting Deng the Bulls had 3 guys in the top 30 in minutes per game including the #2 guy in the league. Deng's minutes per game dropped by 4 after he was traded. Deng was at the top of the league in both 2011-2012 and 2012-2013. Rose was injured for half of the lockout season but the games he played he was still over 35 minutes per game. Butler, Noah, Rose, and Deng have all appeared in the top 15 in minutes per game under Thibs and they've had a guy in the top 2 each of the last 3 years. Did you read my post. I said you have to throw out last year where they had massive injuries and no depth. The year of the bench mob, the Bulls were not overused, with the exception of Deng. And if you look across the non Spurs NBA, you'll see most teams have one guy who tends to be a minute workhorse. Additionally, while Deng might have been a horse, so has Durant / Lebron / etc. Heck, Blake Griffin in his first year back from injury played 38MPG and in the top 10 in the league. Good players get a lot of minutes. That is generally the norm. Pau was amongst the top 10 guys in MPG some of those years too. 2010 - 2011 That team had 2 guys who averaged over 35 MPG, Deng and Rose. Rose was at 37.4 and Deng at 39.1 2011 - 2012 Same story as 10-11. 2 guys who averaged over 35 MPG, Deng and Rose. Deng was at 35.3 and Deng at 39.4. As I mentioned, the Bulls in that era, never had really great options for Deng. Deng also saw reduced minutes in Cleveland because he didn't really earn the minutes and Cleveland wasn't playing for much anything either (and had more wing depth / guys they were trying to develop). Bottom line, when the Bulls have had depth, minutes played has not been a major issue. Oh and Deng was just slightly ahead of Kevin Durant and Lebron James in MPG. So lets not pretend that other stars don't play a lot and Rose was largely used less then most stars, even at the 37.4 MPG useage in 10/11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Lebron James has never averaged less than 37 minutes per game. Kevin Durant has not averaged less than 38 mpg since his rookie year. In Dwight Howard's bad back 2013 campaign he averaged just over 35 minutes per game. Chisoxfn is right. This is just a dumb meme. Last year, Rose was averaging about 30mpg, just what Westbrook was doing after his injuries. Rose also rested games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 At age 39, Michael Jordan averaged 38 minutes per game. 34 year old german knee transplant Kobe Bryant played 38 mpg. Sure do seem to be a lot of abusive coaches in this league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 12:52 PM) At age 39, Michael Jordan averaged 38 minutes per game. 34 year old german knee transplant Kobe Bryant played 38 mpg. Sure do seem to be a lot of abusive coaches in this league! Scottie Pippen had a 6 or 7 year stretch of averaging around 38 minutes a game including over 40 when he went to Houston as a 33 year old. MJ averaged 38.6 minutes his Bulls career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 05:59 PM) Scottie Pippen had a 6 or 7 year stretch of averaging around 38 minutes a game including over 40 when he went to Houston as a 33 year old. MJ averaged 38.6 minutes his Bulls career. Right. Star players play a lot more minutes, regardless of coach. Deng being among league leaders is less impressive when realizing he is just among them and has been remarkably healthy since Thibs took over (comparatively). When Rose came back last year he was playing 30mpg. Does anyone disagree with that amount? He's sitting for about 40% of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 02:01 PM) Right. Star players play a lot more minutes, regardless of coach. Deng being among league leaders is less impressive when realizing he is just among them and has been remarkably healthy since Thibs took over (comparatively). When Rose came back last year he was playing 30mpg. Does anyone disagree with that amount? He's sitting for about 40% of the game. Would you still sit him during the 2nd half of a b2b if he was averaging 30 minutes per game? That was the specific thing stated and it is something Thibs has never done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) Thibs was doing fine with Rose last year so hopefully he keeps it that way. But Noah and Deng when he was here were always playing way too much when they were both always hurt, can't have that. You can't compare their minutes to LeBron and Durant because those two really haven't had too many injuries they've been battling through. EDIT: And that's playing too much in the regular season. Play them as long as you want in the playoffs but the regular season is so damn pointless in the NBA, just be careful with some of these guys. Edited August 20, 2014 by Rowand44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 06:03 PM) Would you still sit him during the 2nd half of a b2b if he was averaging 30 minutes per game? That was the specific thing stated and it is something Thibs has never done. I would. Rose's injury is different than the ACL, and I think you'll see a usage of him similar to Westbrook. But maybe he won't need it. Westbrook was hurt in playoffs, Rose much earlier. Maybe he will require less rest as we approach the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 11:04 AM) Thibs was doing fine with Rose last year so hopefully he keeps it that way. But Noah and Deng when he was here were always playing way too much when they were both always hurt, can't have that. You can't compare their minutes to LeBron and Durant because those two really haven't had too many injuries they've been battling through. Other then last year, Noah has never gotten very significant minutes. That is a myth. Twice in his career has he averaged over 35 MPG. Even last year, it isn't as if he led the league in minutes. Heck, his career MPG is just under 30 MPG and in 9 / 10 / 11 he average 30, 32, and 30 MPG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 01:03 PM) Would you still sit him during the 2nd half of a b2b if he was averaging 30 minutes per game? That was the specific thing stated and it is something Thibs has never done. When did this happen? The season before he injured his ACL when they went to the Conference finals? Because his time with Thibs consists of one full season, an injury filled season where his time was spotty at best, and that quick couple games last season. Go ahead and keep pounding Thibs for it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 02:06 PM) Other then last year, Noah has never gotten very significant minutes. That is a myth. Twice in his career has he averaged over 35 MPG. Even last year, it isn't as if he led the league in minutes. Heck, his career MPG is just under 30 MPG and in 9 / 10 / 11 he average 30, 32, and 30 MPG. He was also barely able to walk in some of those seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/futurespor...ba-lakers-china If you havent seen it yet, its the LED basketball court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 11:09 AM) He was also barely able to walk in some of those seasons. Barely able to walk. He had plantar fasciatis bouts but he was able to play and capable of playing. Unless you are proposing he should have taken a few months off cause limiting the minutes (which they tried on multiple occasions) didn't have much of an impact. Your minutes / rest shtick is completely unfounded and unsubstantiated. Rose was extremely well managed last season too and got hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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