2014-2015 NBA thread

[Buehrle>Wood]

Frankly for those that though the Bulls were going to get things done without an issue, you've set yourself up for disappointment. The Bulls can only do so much. Players have to want to come here.

 

For example, Melo, say there's a sign and trade possibility. If Houston offers Harden, Lin and someone else, what can the Bulls offer that would be better than that? Nothing. Done. End of story.

 

Who can the Bulls offer that's better than Thompson for Love? No one.

Rockets aren't giving up Harden but I agree we are setting ourselves up.

[chw42]

Frankly for those that though the Bulls were going to get things done without an issue, you've set yourself up for disappointment. The Bulls can only do so much. Players have to want to come here.

 

For example, Melo, say there's a sign and trade possibility. If Houston offers Harden, Lin and someone else, what can the Bulls offer that would be better than that? Nothing. Done. End of story.

 

Who can the Bulls offer that's better than Thompson for Love? No one.

 

lol wut.

[Jenksismyhero]

It's a possibility IF Lebron is willing to leave. Howard, Lebron and Melo in Houston. It's not gonna happen, but it's possible.

 

edit: i'm stealing this idea from Simmons off twitter btw. Not something I came up with out of the blue.

Edited June 26, 2014 by Jenksismybitch

[Buehrle>Wood]

lol wut.

Apparently it's an actual rumor. I had to Google it to see where the heck he got that idea but people are talking about it.

[2nd_city_saint787]

Ya, Harden wouldn't go but Parsons in a sign and trade would be most likely and I still don't think the Bulls could top Parsons/Lin+.

 

EDIT, didn't see the Simmons idea....

Edited June 26, 2014 by scs787

[Jake]

I'm not going to freak out about missing out on Arron Afflalo. He would have been nice to have, but I'm not going to miss him.

[Chisoxfn]

I'm not going to freak out about missing out on Arron Afflalo. He would have been nice to have, but I'm not going to miss him.

He would have been a great fit on our roster with very little cost (outside of some financial ramifications). however, I understand Bulls couldn't pull a deal without knowing they could S&T Melo, because he would tie up too much cap space if you can't get Melo in a S&T (I think). I might be wrong.

[chw42]

He would have been a great fit on our roster with very little cost (outside of some financial ramifications). however, I understand Bulls couldn't pull a deal without knowing they could S&T Melo, because he would tie up too much cap space if you can't get Melo in a S&T (I think). I might be wrong.

 

You're right about the cap issues. However, I really don't think we're getting Melo.

[chw42]

It's a possibility IF Lebron is willing to leave. Howard, Lebron and Melo in Houston. It's not gonna happen, but it's possible.

 

edit: i'm stealing this idea from Simmons off twitter btw. Not something I came up with out of the blue.

 

Wow, that'd be a hell of a summer for Houston. Anything's possible with Morey.

[HuskyCaucasian]

If the Bulls go ANOTHER offseason where they targeted big players... and end up empty... heads need to roll.

[chw42]

If the Bulls go ANOTHER offseason where they targeted big players... and end up empty... heads need to roll.

 

Yup. I'm sick of standing pat.

[Kyyle23]

If the Bulls go ANOTHER offseason where they targeted big players... and end up empty... heads need to roll.

 

They wont, so there is no use getting out the torches and pitchforks.

[chw42]

They wont, so there is no use getting out the torches and pitchforks.

 

BUT I WANT TO RIOT!

[RockRaines]

The funny thing is actually having confidence that would do something big. History should dictate that there was no chance of them actually making good moves.

[Chisoxfn]

You're right about the cap issues. However, I really don't think we're getting Melo.

Which is why we can't get mad about this move. I think Bulls / Orlando could have worked out a better deal and Bulls were probably willing but they couldn't do a trade now. I'm not about to start with Plan C. I think our front office feels very good about Melo. I am very nervous about Houston and Dallas and the lack of state income taxes in Texas though.

[Jenksismyhero]

Yup. I'm sick of standing pat.

 

Honestly, for the 2010 and 2014 FA classes (assuming they strike out again), i'm really not sure what you want the Bulls to do. If Noah and Rose are untradeable, nothing else on the roster is as good as what other teams have to offer. It's just not. What would you have them do? You can scap the entire team to sign Melo to a max deal and he could still stay in NY for more money. What assets do the Bulls have that would be better than what the Warriors are reportedly offering for Love? Should they pull and Isaiah and start trading away the next 2-3 1st rounders?

 

 

[chw42]

Which is why we can't get mad about this move. I think Bulls / Orlando could have worked out a better deal and Bulls were probably willing but they couldn't do a trade now. I'm not about to start with Plan C. I think our front office feels very good about Melo. I am very nervous about Houston and Dallas and the lack of state income taxes in Texas though.

 

I bet they felt real good about LeBron 4 years ago too.

[Chisoxfn]

I bet they felt real good about LeBron 4 years ago too.

Probably. But I'd rather at least try then just go straight for Afflalo (or Boozer). Not going to be great not taking swings. I like what they have done to date and I think they are making a very focused pitch on Melo and I think they can get him while keeping our core and depth together. Ultimately, I think the Knicks will be interested in a S&T.

[chw42]

Honestly, for the 2010 and 2014 FA classes (assuming they strike out again), i'm really not sure what you want the Bulls to do. If Noah and Rose are untradeable, nothing else on the roster is as good as what other teams have to offer. It's just not. What would you have them do? You can scap the entire team to sign Melo to a max deal and he could still stay in NY for more money. What assets do the Bulls have that would be better than what the Warriors are reportedly offering for Love? Should they pull and Isaiah and start trading away the next 2-3 1st rounders?

 

I'm already assuming they'll strike out, which is why passing on Afflalo in a deal they could have easily topped seems like a missed opportunity.

[maggsmaggs]

Wow. Just an amazing miss by the Bulls.

 

GarPax really have no business being General Managers. They can't consummate deals. They are terrific scouts and that should be their roles, but they do not know how to manage the salary cap, recruit free agents and ever make a big move.

[Chisoxfn]

I'm already assuming they'll strike out, which is why passing on Afflalo in a deal they could have easily topped seems like a missed opportunity.

So you are basically saying, lets just get Afflalo and not even try for Melo.

[Dick Allen]

Which is why we can't get mad about this move. I think Bulls / Orlando could have worked out a better deal and Bulls were probably willing but they couldn't do a trade now. I'm not about to start with Plan C. I think our front office feels very good about Melo. I am very nervous about Houston and Dallas and the lack of state income taxes in Texas though.

No state taxes. Winters aren't as harsh. Melo talking about his son and school. I would imagine that would mean he would rather be in the suburbs in the Chicago area. Naturally, the Bulls moved their practice facility right next to the UC this coming season, so the young guys can live in the city. Not that Melo couldn't make that drive, but it does add inconvenience.

[chw42]

So you are basically saying, lets just get Afflalo and not even try for Melo.

 

Not necessarily. Afflalo could also be used in another deal. You're not stuck with him. In fact, he's probably one of the best trade chips in the NBA right now. Good player on a cheap and short contract.

 

This is what I mean when I say the Bulls' FO has no creativity. They're so focused on a certain path that they don't see other possibilities opening up.

[Chisoxfn]

Wow. Just an amazing miss by the Bulls.

 

GarPax really have no business being General Managers. They can't consummate deals. They are terrific scouts and that should be their roles, but they do not know how to manage the salary cap, recruit free agents and ever make a big move.

Do you want to try for Melo? If so, they couldn't trade for Afflalo now. So if you were okay with going Afflalo plus some serviceable guys, then that is fine, but getting Afflalo now means no Melo. They could have gotten Afflalo, after signing Melo (if Knicks did a S&T) but the point is, we have to be in a position to offer Melo outright and adding Afflalo wouldn't allow for that (and you can't repackage Afflalo for a while so it is a misconception that the Nuggets can use him for Love, unless of course it really is a 3 way deal). It could be for Love...in December when he's eligible to be traded again.

[Chisoxfn]

Not necessarily. Afflalo could also be used in another deal. You're not stuck with him. In fact, he's probably one of the best trade chips in the NBA right now. Good player on a cheap and short contract.

 

This is what I mean when I say the Bulls' FO has no creativity. They're so focused on a certain path that they don't see other possibilities opening up.

WRONG. Afflalo (unless this is a 3 team deal) can not be traded again until December under the terms of the CBA.